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nykbasketball
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4/2/2005  9:58 AM
Is allan making a come back. And if he is will he still be effective. He can destroy a zone with his shooting. We need him back at 100%, or just retire
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4/2/2005  10:11 AM
You're going to be waiting a LONG time if you're waiting for a 100% Allan. As for him retiring, are we really that desperate for a spot on the IL to get him off the team? I believe I read many times that if he retires, we still have to cough up the remainder of his contract.
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4/2/2005  10:13 AM
not if the knee is proven to be a career ending injury
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4/2/2005  10:15 AM
I hope Isiah stops thinking about Houston.
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4/2/2005  10:16 AM
i dont think issiah is. i just remembered him, he is the forgotten Knick
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4/2/2005  2:40 PM
I want Houston to play. I really like him, but I don't really think he will be good again
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4/2/2005  2:43 PM
he is a disgrace to the Knicks.

[Edited by - flex on 04/02/2005 14:43:33]
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4/2/2005  4:09 PM
Posted by flex:

he is a disgrace to the Knicks.

[Edited by - flex on 04/02/2005 14:43:33]

A disgrace? Him getting that $100M contract may be, but he himself by no means is a disgrace to this franchise. He did play hard everynight, unlike many players you will see around the league. The truth is he was just a one dimensional player who couldn't play beyond his limitations. His faults have just been magnified by that huge contract. If this injury does mark the end of his career, atleast give the guy some respect.
With that said, it is time to move on. As Zeke said, we have to move on as though we don't have him.
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4/2/2005  4:24 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

A disgrace? Him getting that $100M contract may be, but he himself by no means is a disgrace to this franchise. He did play hard everynight, unlike many players you will see around the league. The truth is he was just a one dimensional player who couldn't play beyond his limitations. His faults have just been magnified by that huge contract. If this injury does mark the end of his career, atleast give the guy some respect.
With that said, it is time to move on. As Zeke said, we have to move on as though we don't have him.
Maybe he means Allan Houston is a disgrace for not going into surgery and choosing to prance around with a high jumper and call that rehab.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04/02/2005 16:25:19]
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4/2/2005  4:26 PM
Houston, Oh Houston, OH Oh oh HOuston, you are such a thieve.
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4/2/2005  4:50 PM
when healthy, allan was suppose to help refine craw's game. yes we need a healthy h20
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4/2/2005  5:40 PM
You definitely can't depend on Houston ever being an effective player again. I do have some hope that he might someday be an effective 15 mpg player, though.
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4/2/2005  5:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You definitely can't depend on Houston ever being an effective player again. I do have some hope that he might someday be an effective 15 mpg player, though.

hey, i'm depending on you to re-write whatever you meant to say
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4/2/2005  7:11 PM
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by Bonn1997:

You definitely can't depend on Houston ever being an effective player again. I do have some hope that he might someday be an effective 15 mpg player, though.

hey, i'm depending on you to re-write whatever you meant to say
huh?
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4/2/2005  7:21 PM
Can't disagree with the upset over Houston. I do really wonder exactly what went down last year regarding his decision to not have further surgery. But I do have one fantastic memory from him this year - you guys know what I'm talking about, right? Yes, that 3-pointer against Philly to send us into OT in the great comeback game!!!!! That was too sweet - I'm still digging the hell out of that memory even in the shadow of a lost season.
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4/2/2005  11:54 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by MaTT4281:

A disgrace? Him getting that $100M contract may be, but he himself by no means is a disgrace to this franchise. He did play hard everynight, unlike many players you will see around the league. The truth is he was just a one dimensional player who couldn't play beyond his limitations. His faults have just been magnified by that huge contract. If this injury does mark the end of his career, atleast give the guy some respect.
With that said, it is time to move on. As Zeke said, we have to move on as though we don't have him.
Maybe he means Allan Houston is a disgrace for not going into surgery and choosing to prance around with a high jumper and call that rehab.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04/02/2005 16:25:19]

Maybe it's a disgrace to question someones medical decisions when all that you have to go on is third hand (at best) information.
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4/3/2005  12:10 AM
thank you oldfan. This guy never missed games for 6-7 years now he's a wuss. Surgery isnt a cure all. Did it fix McDyess? Webber's knee is barely stable. Surgery can just as easily make it worse.

This guy is so maligned its unreal. All he ever did was hit big shots. Then when our GM turns Camby, LJ, Ewing, Sprewell, Childs into Anderson, Eisley, KVH, Spoon and Harrington its suddenly Houston's fault for everything thats wrong with the franchise.

Its a joke and its pretty sad that fans think this way. It all comes down to one thing... the same stupid GM that accomplished the above offers him a max contract and his only fault is he says yes.

Maybe if Zeke offered KT a max deal we could crap on him for not turning his game into Duncans... after all they would be paid the same
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4/3/2005  12:24 AM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by MaTT4281:

A disgrace? Him getting that $100M contract may be, but he himself by no means is a disgrace to this franchise. He did play hard everynight, unlike many players you will see around the league. The truth is he was just a one dimensional player who couldn't play beyond his limitations. His faults have just been magnified by that huge contract. If this injury does mark the end of his career, atleast give the guy some respect.
With that said, it is time to move on. As Zeke said, we have to move on as though we don't have him.
Maybe he means Allan Houston is a disgrace for not going into surgery and choosing to prance around with a high jumper and call that rehab.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04/02/2005 16:25:19]

Maybe it's a disgrace to question someones medical decisions when all that you have to go on is third hand (at best) information.
Who is going on 3rd hand information? Houston was one that didnt take the doctor's advice. How is it me thats going on third hand information when he ignored two doctor's (which really is the disgrace)?
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4/3/2005  12:27 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Surgery isnt a cure all. Did it fix McDyess? Webber's knee is barely stable.
You can give him a pass on not wanting to go through surgery and seeking alternate treatment. Lets see if it works. Maybe the doctors are wrong but at this point he should realize what he has been doing isnt working too well.
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4/3/2005  9:49 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by MaTT4281:

A disgrace? Him getting that $100M contract may be, but he himself by no means is a disgrace to this franchise. He did play hard everynight, unlike many players you will see around the league. The truth is he was just a one dimensional player who couldn't play beyond his limitations. His faults have just been magnified by that huge contract. If this injury does mark the end of his career, atleast give the guy some respect.
With that said, it is time to move on. As Zeke said, we have to move on as though we don't have him.
Maybe he means Allan Houston is a disgrace for not going into surgery and choosing to prance around with a high jumper and call that rehab.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04/02/2005 16:25:19]

Maybe it's a disgrace to question someones medical decisions when all that you have to go on is third hand (at best) information.
Who is going on 3rd hand information? Houston was one that didnt take the doctor's advice. How is it me thats going on third hand information when he ignored two doctor's (which really is the disgrace)?

Silver - do you think maybe Houston talked to his own doctors? Do you know anything about any of the doctors or what they recommended other then what you've read? Have the knick doctors or team doctors never been wrong? When you make your medical decisions do you ever think of getting second opinions and taking the advice that makes the most sense to you? The fact is you have very little knowledge about what Houston was told by different doctors or why he made the decision he did outside of what you've read written by reporters - who probably didn't have most of the facts either. For you decide he made the wrong decision based on what you know is a bit presumptious. (Sorry about the disgraceful remark.)
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