Posted by diderotn:

I wouldn't mind having Silas as our headcoach either...Herb is ok, and I can't blame him for what is going on, because he didn't have a trainging camp and he is mostly using the plays that are known from the Lenny's regime...Isiah will never coach N.Y., I don't think that he can handle the N.Y. media. He probably would have gotten arrested for punching one of the media guys out.

Posted by TMS:

with the CURRENT roster the only coaches i want coaching them are Isiah or Herb.

there's no point in bringing in a high priced bigname coach if they can't upgrade this roster...what's the point?

I don't understand how Herb gets a pass but the team, Lenny, or Isiah. It is this subjective type of blame that is troubling. Now we can't blame Herb because he didn't get a training camp with this team. LOL. Wasn't that Lenny's excuse. And it was legit he wasn't even on the team then but Herb's been with this organization for over 11 years. He was a coach for like 6 of those years. I sure Herb was allowed to coach these guys at any number of training camps during those 6 years. As far as I am concern he has to be at the top of the chain for blame or praise for how this develops, perform defensive drills and pratice.

I think that Isiah needs to take charge to tell you all the truth. yes, he works for Dolan, but when push come to shove, at the end he will be the one who is judged. He needs to assume his role as a GM and hires whomever he feels will fit his style of leadership. Can we win the championship with someone other than Phil? most definitely. However, the corelation of GM/COACH/AND STAR PLAYERS has to be good. I can honestly tell you why this will not be successful, it is because of two people: Houston and Kurt Thomas. Once those two are gone, Marburry will be able to force his will on the other guys. Until then, forget about it, because Marb may be the Captain, but when he is constantly overuled by Kurt and Houston, it causes nothing but a bigger issue. Leadership should not be undermine to be successful. However, Marb needs to do a much better job as a leader also. He can't go around and tell players like Crawf the opposite of what the coach is trying to implement. That was just one example.

Posted by nykdunk:

Posted by fishmike:

We trade draft picks for 5 years and take on every bad contract we can get our hands on and the NBA should do something for us? The lottery is in place to keep teams from tanking on purpose.

Does it though? I don't think so!

I agree. Set it up so that each lottery team gets one ping pong ball and you solve the problem of tanking. Teams will actually go out and play to win like they're supposed to.

But you have a few players that I would love to see in N.Y...Harrington, Smith, and the dude with the crazy hair...

I agree with this. The Knicks have to get themselves out of this although the NBA is set up to put pressure on teams like the Knicks to right their own ship while it trys to protect the lesser teams. What the league should do though is limit the number of years you can appear in consecutive lotteries. That's abuse. If you think the Knicks are in a bad spot, just imagine if you rooted for the Hawks. I just relocated to Atlanta. They don't even have a plan in place.

The issue was actually whether Isiah knows what he wants to do. I brought up this other topic because the choice he should make brings the integrity of the league into question.

Posted by diderotn:

But you have a few players that I would love to see in N.Y...Harrington, Smith, and the dude with the crazy hair...

I agree with this. The Knicks have to get themselves out of this although the NBA is set up to put pressure on teams like the Knicks to right their own ship while it trys to protect the lesser teams. What the league should do though is limit the number of years you can appear in consecutive lotteries. That's abuse. If you think the Knicks are in a bad spot, just imagine if you rooted for the Hawks. I just relocated to Atlanta. They don't even have a plan in place.

LOL. And most of these people down here want KT. They love KT. All the sports radio talk about getting KT in some type of trade. They aren't in love with any of these guys. And they are real down on Josh Smith.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I don't understand how Herb gets a pass but the team, Lenny, or Isiah. It is this subjective type of blame that is troubling. Now we can't blame Herb because he didn't get a training camp with this team. LOL. Wasn't that Lenny's excuse. And it was legit he wasn't even on the team then but Herb's been with this organization for over 11 years. He was a coach for like 6 of those years. I sure Herb was allowed to coach these guys at any number of training camps during those 6 years. As far as I am concern he has to be at the top of the chain for blame or praise for how this develops, perform defensive drills and pratice.

herb, to me, gets a pass b/c he's never been a head coach b4 and has was put in when the team was in the midst of a 3-18 stretch BEFORE a west coast trip. nobody is saying training camp or anything when it comes to him. he is clearly the interim coach in most people's eyes. what i have noticed is that the players ARE playing hard for him, regardless of wins/losses. we are MANY players away from being even a 45 win team so any big name coach you bring in won't produce right away, so why not give him the job for next season so he can grow as a coach while we assemble talent? whatever he does this season, coaching startegies, rotation, play calls, etc., is just the learning and growing process for him. that's why he gets a pass in my eyes.

How do you know this? until you do it. How do I know that Crawford don't learn from a better coach than a Lenny or Herb. To me he is the lone guy who can't really get a pass either. He isn't new to this team's system. Unless you are telling me he had no input into this team until just a few months ago, then I would have a problem with him there too. Are assistant coaches running practices, running drills. Hell Aguire comes here in less than a year and he is taking credit for doing things. You hear about his input, Herb has been a coach for 6 years. All I am saying this record is his too from beginning to end. He was considered one of the top assistants. I mean I like some of the things he has but I can't praise him and only be willing to place blame on others. That would be bias. That's all I am saying.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I don't understand how Herb gets a pass but the team, Lenny, or Isiah. It is this subjective type of blame that is troubling. Now we can't blame Herb because he didn't get a training camp with this team. LOL. Wasn't that Lenny's excuse. And it was legit he wasn't even on the team then but Herb's been with this organization for over 11 years. He was a coach for like 6 of those years. I sure Herb was allowed to coach these guys at any number of training camps during those 6 years. As far as I am concern he has to be at the top of the chain for blame or praise for how this develops, perform defensive drills and pratice.

herb, to me, gets a pass b/c he's never been a head coach b4 and has was put in when the team was in the midst of a 3-18 stretch BEFORE a west coast trip. nobody is saying training camp or anything when it comes to him. he is clearly the interim coach in most people's eyes. what i have noticed is that the players ARE playing hard for him, regardless of wins/losses. we are MANY players away from being even a 45 win team so any big name coach you bring in won't produce right away, so why not give him the job for next season so he can grow as a coach while we assemble talent? whatever he does this season, coaching startegies, rotation, play calls, etc., is just the learning and growing process for him. that's why he gets a pass in my eyes.

How do you know this? until you do it. How do I know that Crawford don't learn from a better coach than a Lenny or Herb. To me he is the lone guy who can't really get a pass either. He isn't new to this team's system. Unless you are telling me he had no input into this team until just a few months ago, then I would have a problem with him there too. Are assistant coaches running practices, running drills. Hell Aguire comes here in less than a year and he is taking credit for doing things. You hear about his input, Herb has been a coach for 6 years. All I am saying this record is his too from beginning to end. He was considered one of the top assistants. I mean I like some of the things he has but I can't praise him and only be willing to place blame on others. That would be bias. That's all I am saying.

i agree with you. i think crawford is still learning and has come a long way. but he also signed a big contract so his ass should be held to the flames a little bit since he still is scared to play ANY type of defense. his shot selection has improved a little but man, has anything else?

instead of Josh Smith, who you guys know the Hawks would never trade, how about looking into acquiring Al Harrington? he's playing the SF position & it's clear they need to start clearing out some of that glut as they have Childress & Smith waiting in the wings making alot less money.

i would offer up Sweetney & our lottery pick protected to #5 for him...the Hawks are under the cap so this is a doable deal, isn't it?

C - KT / Butler
PF - Harrington / Rose / Mo T
SF - TT / Ariza / JYD
SG - Crawford / MLE fa or draft pick
PG - Marbury / Penny