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EnySpree
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3/31/2005  10:04 PM
Coaching is failing kids. Guys are not being taught the game. There is alot of favoritism and politics involved. It's like if kids already know how to play or if they are taller than their peers they get the opportunity to play. There are plenty of kids out there that just wanna learn the game. Even guys that are already good don't really get there nowadays till their 4th year as a PRO!!!! That is way off from back in the days. There are guys in the league that still can't dribble with their off hand.....or make free throws.....but they can dunk and shoot threes.

I'll give you guys some personal storys to start this off.

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3/31/2005  10:05 PM
I didn't play high school ball. Why? It wasn't because I wasn't good enough. It was because I wasn't in the basketball loop. I had no idea when they started try-outs and stuff. I founf out junior year that try-outs were held in the summer before school even started! That is crazy to me because I found that out after I was playing in the park and some of the guys on the basketball team asked me and my friends to try-out.

Well I went to conditioning in the begining of August and made all the cuts until the last one when the coach cut me. Meanwhile I know I was seriously out playing some of the guards on the team. I confronted him and he told me he thought he was just gonna go with the guys that were already there. WTF!!! That broke my spirit. I did everything and I was clearly better than the guys there.

Also I've noticed when I played in the PAL when I was 12-14, that coaches were not teaching the game. They were just starting the kids who they thought could play and didn't give a second look to kids trying to learn the game.

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3/31/2005  10:10 PM
My sister played in a basketball league in Boy's Harbor. The coach was bragging that she played ball overseas and how she was this and that in college. This was a rinky dink afterschool thing. The girls were getting ready to play other afterschool programs in the city.

My sister learned nothing. She was going off whatever she learned from me and my Dad. I showed up a few times to help the coach out and the girls were great. All they wanted to do was learn the game. How to shoot. How to dribble, etc. The coach kicked me out because she said I was a distraction. She spent most of her time on the phone or talking to the maintenace guy. I was actually banned from entering the basketball gym. I was actually teaching the kids stuff and it was getting out to the people that run Boy's Harbor.

There was only one girl there from Brazil that could actually play. My sister was the next in line but never played with girls in a team setting. Her High school didn't have a basketball team yet. She thought about transfering but after that experience she gave up on it and focused on track.

She gave up track also due to favoritism. She found out her coach was giving other girls information on ways to get better or different competitions to enter, etc....meanwhile my sister was faster than all of them.

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3/31/2005  10:20 PM
I started this thread to see if you guys have experienced similiar stuff growing up.

Does anybody else thing that there is a problem with coaching on the youth level? The game is not always about dunking and shooting threes.

Kids want to be taught the game....any game.

The last few years I've met a lot of kids in the park and taught them alot about the game and they see me now and thank me. They tell me how they are playing here and there and they been using the stuff I showed them.

Just basic stuff like how to dribble, shoot properly, drive without so much dribbling, defense...how to run the floor....how to get open.....how to use their size and post moves.....basic stuff.....and these are kids 12-19 that could out run and jump me.

It's a subject I have alot of passion about. IT's just a sad thing. Coaches are not about coaching anymore.
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4/1/2005  12:41 AM
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4/1/2005  3:33 AM
Coaching at the youth level has always been a problem... It is becoming increasingly difficult to draw the line between developing kids and building a winning program

I know this, because I used to coach grade 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. Up here in BC, Canada, they are talking of limiting games, and adding more practices, just so that kids can learn more instead of riding pine. Another big problem up here is that coaches are becoming less willing to give up their time, due to poor programs and a low level of commitment. Steve Nash has helped out basketball in our province quite a bit, but the politics are killing the sport at the youth level.

In the US, it seems like the competition is driving the coaches to lose the plot. Coaches are trying to build successful and winning programs, so that they can attract better players to join. However, because of the desire to win instead of develop all players, they decide to play their 'stars' and limit their less talented workhorses.

I think every kid should have the chance to play, and the only way this can happen is if more rec leagues are created, and more people willing to volunteer and coach these kids. And it all starts with us basketball fans... if we can instill a love for the game in our youth, then the next generation will only be better off

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4/1/2005  9:03 AM
Posted by NewYorkSoul:

Coaching at the youth level has always been a problem... It is becoming increasingly difficult to draw the line between developing kids and building a winning program

I know this, because I used to coach grade 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. Up here in BC, Canada, they are talking of limiting games, and adding more practices, just so that kids can learn more instead of riding pine. Another big problem up here is that coaches are becoming less willing to give up their time, due to poor programs and a low level of commitment. Steve Nash has helped out basketball in our province quite a bit, but the politics are killing the sport at the youth level.

In the US, it seems like the competition is driving the coaches to lose the plot. Coaches are trying to build successful and winning programs, so that they can attract better players to join. However, because of the desire to win instead of develop all players, they decide to play their 'stars' and limit their less talented workhorses.

I think every kid should have the chance to play, and the only way this can happen is if more rec leagues are created, and more people willing to volunteer and coach these kids. And it all starts with us basketball fans... if we can instill a love for the game in our youth, then the next generation will only be better off

Good post.....that's what I was trying to get from some of you guys.

You are right about us basketball fans.....not just basketball fans, but all sports.

It's the parents too.

I've been trying to get into coaching but it's just as bad as looking for a entry level office job. No one will hire you unless you already have prior experience. Thing is how can you get experience if no one will give it to you?

I've been trying to get involved at the kid level....it's tough cuz you get involved with a program that is so bogus it turns you off....and if you try to branch off to a higher level it's hard to get guys to take you serious. Everyone is a basketball expert but not everyone can coach.....not everyone with a coaching position knows what they are doing. Just take a look at the basketball coach for Brooklyn College. He is a moron.
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4/1/2005  9:15 AM
I can't believe that I have neglected this thread. I congrat you for speaking about this issue. Our coaches are no longer what they used to be, same for teachers. I don't know, I think that it is a combo of a lot of things, parents, kids, society, (government) etc. What can be done to resolve the problem? absolutely nothing, because this problem is part of evolution. Money runs everything today, and everyone is out to make a penny. Fundamental is no longer what drives our culture, it is the dollar.
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