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Killa4luv
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3/30/2005  11:23 PM
Tim Thomas would be perfect for the triangle. Even with our current roster I think Phil Jax could make the triangle offense work.

We come down on the O. TT in the high post Steph and Craw by the elbows, Maurice/Sweets on the block, and KT spotted upfrom 18 feet by the baseline.

As soon as someone sets a pick for Tim, or cuts the options are limitless.

In fact, even without the triangle, why are Steph and TT not doing the pick and roll. TT can shoot or fake and cut to the basket and bang it.

I like the way Tim has been playing, and I think he is a very valuable asset if he can play the way he has been playing in the 2nd half.

17 ppg, since the half is good.

He is a mismatch every night and he should be a key part of our offense. He should have to shot at least 10 shots a game. 10 plays at least calle dfor him. He is gonna get fouled or force the d to collapse.
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3/30/2005  11:40 PM
I like to think that TT can keep up a level of play of late, but he has proven to not be dependable.

His IQ is too low to handle the triangle. Craw had many problems with it. Maybe he can still learn.

Its good your open minded. In fact, if The Zen master cometh, and he want Miss Gazy, I guess miss gazy it is!
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3/30/2005  11:54 PM
Posted by Nalod:

I like to think that TT can keep up a level of play of late, but he has proven to not be dependable.

His IQ is too low to handle the triangle. Craw had many problems with it. Maybe he can still learn.

Its good your open minded. In fact, if The Zen master cometh, and he want Miss Gazy, I guess miss gazy it is!

I'm hoping that if Jax did come that Jamal would be learning the traingle from a much better teacher in Phil Jackson, I mean Bill Cartwright and Phil Jackson, I wonder who the better teacher of the triangle is? But your right, Jamal struggled before but he is the kind of player that could excel in it. I think stephon would excel in it, everyone keeps bringing up Gary Payton not liking it but that's becuase Payton loves to post up defending pg's he could not do that with the Lakers becuase they got someone named Shaq manning that post in the triangle. I think Steph would FLOURISH.

I agree with Killa too, why arent Steph and TT doing the pick and roll right now? I honestly hadn't thought of it before reading your post Nalod but its a very good question.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03/30/2005 23:56:04]
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3/31/2005  12:36 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Tim Thomas would be perfect for the triangle.

I stopped reading after this sentence
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Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Tim Thomas would be perfect for the triangle.

I stopped reading after this sentence

How come, I know TT is a disappointment, but his size and skills would a very nice to compliment. Now I know I know he doesnt bring it every night but, his physical attributes would make him very useful in the triangle.
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3/31/2005  12:53 AM
Explain.

Because somehow I don't think Phil Jackson is at home thinking how "Tim Thomas" would be perfect for the triangle.

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3/31/2005  12:55 AM
Posted by bigpimpin:

Explain.

Because somehow I don't think Phil Jackson is at home thinking how "Tim Thomas" would be perfect for the triangle.

Oh I def. agree with you on that. I dont think any possible coach is thinking about Tim Thomas I just think with Tims shooting and posting ability he would be a perfect fit in triangle especially with a coach like Phil Jax who demands everything and then some from his players, maybe its what Tim needs. Now believe me, I'm tired of hearing excuses to why Tim Thomas isnt the player he should be but maybe Phil Jackson and his triangle could get him to play SOMEWHERE near his potential.
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3/31/2005  2:36 AM
I think we don't run the pick and roll with TT becaue he can't set a pick, that's a skill, actually before we got Malik, we had one guy capable of setting a legal pick, KT.

Everybody else gets called for a moving pick every other time, is really annoying how most of our bigs are not even capable of setting a good solid pick.

As for Jackson and TT, I think if Jackson HAD TO he would utilize TT to the best of his abilites. I dout he is looking forward to that lol.

But if he really is a great coach, and not just a guy who won with the best players in the game, maybe its using guys like TT that is his challenge.

If he comes over here next year, gets them to play decen defense, and run an offense that maximizes the abilities of our fringe players around Marbury, and all of a sudden has the Knicks contending, then he will def. go down as on of the gratest coaches ever. It's up to him if he is up the first real challenge of his life.
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3/31/2005  5:27 AM
Geez, guys, talk about overrating Tim Thomas. He's all potential, and that's it. But when you've been in the league as long as Tim, maybe that potential is just never going to shine through. You can't teach a guy to want to play hard, you can't teach a guy to actually want to stick with the guy he's defending, you can't teach a guy to want to follow his shot and go for the rebound or to want to put himself in a good position to grab other's rebounds. Those things are pretty unteachable at this point. If Tim Thomas wanted to do them, he would've done them for the last three or four coaches he's had.

In all honesty, with the way he plays, I think TT's best position would be shooting guard. He plays smaller than Crawford and he's 6'10". Sure, his size and speed would be a great asset, but he's NEVER learned how to use them to his advantage.

Is Phil Jackson up for a challenge? Maybe. Is he up for developing lost causes? I doubt it.
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3/31/2005  7:48 AM
This year has made it impossible for me to every stomach Tim Thomas again. I would much rather just play a less talented guy that will play hard every night than this hoser. I've seen him live a few times this year and his effort is disgracefull. He's a dog and he doesnt play hard. What you see is what you get. This guys been in the league a long time. He's going to give you his 1-2 good games every couple of weeks.

He's defense is a joke. He's probably the WORST rebounding player in the NBA taller than 6'9. He doesnt pass. His post move is jumping higher than his defender and tossing the ball at the rim.

If IT extends him then thats all I need to know about Zeke and his ability to evaluate players.
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3/31/2005  8:27 AM
my view on this subject....

I am very disappointed of TT myself, because I expected bigger things out of him this season, but he failed. On the same token, we don't really have a player on our roster that fits Phill's personality nor philosophy. Marb is confused now, can you imagine him playing for Phill? The only two guys that could really flourish from the triangle are Houston and Penny, but both are injured and can no longer play.

As usual when a coach or player wish to have a big contract offer, they always make it seems like they want to come to N.Y.

Phill ain't crazy to come to N.Y., why should he when Minesota/Portland/LA and perhaps Sacremento will all have openings....???
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MS
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3/31/2005  9:19 AM
Minnesota why because they have Garnett and a team in shambles hardly no cap space

Portland, they have a bunch of players that should be in jail...Zach is terrible he is a cancer but they are stuck with him, they have miles who never panned out, and ratliff, and a high school pg, not attractive

LA, yes he would go back their for one reason jennie buss thats it, no one like kobe or wants to play with him, so i think this is not that attractive....

NY with a draft pick, a mid-level signing and a healthy Houston is better than all those teams.....
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3/31/2005  9:24 AM
I can't believe that you are still dreaming about Houston...Move on friend. I like you idea about a draft pick, and MLE but that is about it...Jackson will never come to N.Y to destroy his legacy..

Posted by MS:

Minnesota why because they have Garnett and a team in shambles hardly no cap space

Portland, they have a bunch of players that should be in jail...Zach is terrible he is a cancer but they are stuck with him, they have miles who never panned out, and ratliff, and a high school pg, not attractive

LA, yes he would go back their for one reason jennie buss thats it, no one like kobe or wants to play with him, so i think this is not that attractive....

NY with a draft pick, a mid-level signing and a healthy Houston is better than all those teams.....
The true Knickabocker..........
TMS
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3/31/2005  9:44 AM
17 ppg, since the half is good.

not if the guy you're guarding is routinely torching you for more on a nightly basis.
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3/31/2005  10:11 AM
Gerald Green will flourish in the triangle big time!
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3/31/2005  10:28 AM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Tim Thomas would be perfect for the triangle.

I stopped reading after this sentence
I stoppped reading three words before you! I stopped after I saw "Tim Thomas would be perfect"
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3/31/2005  2:01 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I can't believe that you are still dreaming about Houston...Move on friend. I like you idea about a draft pick, and MLE but that is about it...Jackson will never come to N.Y to destroy his legacy..

So true.
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3/31/2005  9:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
17 ppg, since the half is good.

not if the guy you're guarding is routinely torching you for more on a nightly basis.
This isnt true. And if it is, its as true for him as it is for KT.

Have you guys watched (or listened I dont have MSG) the second half?
He has had a better 2nd half than KT who everyone says is so consistent.
TT's 2nd half numbers are better and more consistent than Kurts!! Really than anyones except Marbury!
If he plays the way he has been playing in the 2nd half, he should remain a knick. Unless we get something meaningful in a trade involving him.
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3/31/2005  9:36 PM
This isnt true. And if it is, its as true for him as it is for KT.
i wasn't trying to say KT should stay either.
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Nalod
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3/31/2005  11:02 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I can't believe that you are still dreaming about Houston...Move on friend. I like you idea about a draft pick, and MLE but that is about it...Jackson will never come to N.Y to destroy his legacy..

Posted by MS:

Minnesota why because they have Garnett and a team in shambles hardly no cap space

Portland, they have a bunch of players that should be in jail...Zach is terrible he is a cancer but they are stuck with him, they have miles who never panned out, and ratliff, and a high school pg, not attractive

LA, yes he would go back their for one reason jennie buss thats it, no one like kobe or wants to play with him, so i think this is not that attractive....

NY with a draft pick, a mid-level signing and a healthy Houston is better than all those teams.....
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Jax legacy is HERE! This is the epicenter of culture, and Phil digs a challange. To discredit his previous work becase for whom he had play is crazy. He made mike from an allstar to the greatest. He wond 3 rings with freaking KOBE! Kobe is a bitch diva and he Phil Sucked everything he had from him. He makes teams!
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