So this offseason better spring eternal hope. He had the option of staying in the lottery in 2003 and using our assets to acquire more picks with what we had. he made the quick decision on Starbury and Lenny--he didnt have to do it. he couldve said the only way out of this mess is to rebuild the team or Im not taking the job.

You use words like "quick" to describe Isiah's decision because you don't like the decision. But you really don't know that it was a quick decision. He may have put enormous thought into and decided that it was a weak draft and Marbury would be better than whoever we'd get with a mid lottery pick. Just say you don't like the decision. Don't make assumptions about Isiah not putting thought into decisions.

It looks like the Knicks are modelling their approach after the Yankees

There's a lot to choose from but thats one of the dumber things you have said.

The Yankee's foolishly spend $$$ money in the late 80s early 90s on guys like Tartabull. Then they stopped. They drafted. They built a core of young players. Pettitte, Mariano, Jeter, Bernie, Oneil (trade for RKelly), Posada, Medoza... they had a GREAT young core of players, then and only after they went to the playoffs and one a TITLE did they start to spend. Also everyone of their huge contracts was either resign one of their own guys or take a player in the prime of their career playing at an high level. Probably the only guy that didnt fit that bill was Kevin Brown because of his age. Matsui, Contreras and Irabu were calculated gambles.

All the Knicks have done is filled a roster of overpaid players that nobody else in the league wants.

You look at players the Yankees ave added in the last 4-5 years and they are guys EVERYONE wants. Arod, Randy Johnson, Mussina, Pavano, MAtsuii, etc, etc... 25 man roster there might be 2 guys who are dead weight. thats 10%. On the Knicks there are about 4-5 guys that arent dead weight and thats being nice.

I usually dont respond to your posts but as a Yankee season ticket holder thats just a joke.

Posted by Bonn1997:

So this offseason better spring eternal hope. He had the option of staying in the lottery in 2003 and using our assets to acquire more picks with what we had. he made the quick decision on Starbury and Lenny--he didnt have to do it. he couldve said the only way out of this mess is to rebuild the team or Im not taking the job.

You use words like "quick" to describe Isiah's decision because you don't like the decision. But you really don't know that it was a quick decision. He may have put enormous thought into and decided that it was a weak draft and Marbury would be better than whoever we'd get with a mid lottery pick. Just say you don't like the decision. Don't make assumptions about Isiah not putting thought into decisions.

How was last years draft bad? explain that one to me? you had great players up and down the board. you are saying its bad because isiah said so? well last year was a TREMENDOUS draft, you can easily say, it may be better than this one.

Posted by fishmike:

It looks like the Knicks are modelling their approach after the Yankees

There's a lot to choose from but thats one of the dumber things you have said.

The Yankee's foolishly spend $$$ money in the late 80s early 90s on guys like Tartabull. Then they stopped. They drafted. They built a core of young players. Pettitte, Mariano, Jeter, Bernie, Oneil (trade for RKelly), Posada, Medoza... they had a GREAT young core of players, then and only after they went to the playoffs and one a TITLE did they start to spend. Also everyone of their huge contracts was either resign one of their own guys or take a player in the prime of their career playing at an high level. Probably the only guy that didnt fit that bill was Kevin Brown because of his age. Matsui, Contreras and Irabu were calculated gambles.

All the Knicks have done is filled a roster of overpaid players that nobody else in the league wants.

You look at players the Yankees ave added in the last 4-5 years and they are guys EVERYONE wants. Arod, Randy Johnson, Mussina, Pavano, MAtsuii, etc, etc... 25 man roster there might be 2 guys who are dead weight. thats 10%. On the Knicks there are about 4-5 guys that arent dead weight and thats being nice.

I usually dont respond to your posts but as a Yankee season ticket holder thats just a joke.

I'm not gonna go back to kindergarden and start calling your statements dumb, but I think you read MUCH, MUCH more into the statement than I meant. The only thing I meant was that both teams try to upgrade their rosters by spending a lot of money. Chill dude!
The Yankees can add players that everyone wants because there's no salary cap. The Knicks would be adding star free agents that everyone wants too if there were no salary cap. The next best thing (and it's undoubtedly inferior) is to use trade assets to get stars like Marbury.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/01/2005 11:11:14]

Posted by fishmike:

MArbury... ONE GUY. Whats everyone elses excuse?

One guy, one year. How many stars did you expect Isiah to add in one year?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by fishmike:

MArbury... ONE GUY. Whats everyone elses excuse?

Man, Im so sick of waiting until the next draft, the next year, the next trade for our GM to do something that makes sense. Its been like this since Ernie left. It sucks... how long do I have to wait?

i agree w/u fish...if nothing significant happens by the trade deadline next season to upgrade this team, i am really going to be down on Isiah too

Considering the trade assets the team has this offseason, I would join you and Fish too and be really down on Isiah in that hypothetical situation.

Waive his magic wand? That's a classic

Posted by TMS:

I'm talking about impact players fish...i don't want anymore marginal role players being brought in here...if Isiah is going to make a deal, it better be for a player who will make an immediate impact, or at least be a young player who looks to be a player of that ilk in the very near future...if he has to take on salary to do it, i'll support that, but it HAS to be comparable to the amount of impact the player is going to make for this team not only next year, but for several seasons after.

Agreed. Considering our assets this offseason, that's my expectation too.

Posted by fishmike:

our assets got a lot worse when we traded for Mo Taylor. I'm assuming your refering to expiring contracts which are hardly assets, especially in an offseason. Penny and TT are more valueable come Feb, but my hopes for Isiah recognizing the obvious have diminished over the last couple months.

No, I wasn't. By assets, I was actually referring to four first round draft picks over the next two years, expiring contracts, Ariza, and Sweetney. (Don't yell at me and say trading all those players would kill our future and that we need to get younger. All I'm saying is those are potential assets, some or all of which could be used depending on how attractive the offer from the other team(s) involved is.)

Ernie made mistakes... every GM does and will, but you can avoid certain pitfalls by following a philosophy. Ernie NEVER took on a bad contract. Name one... the worst was probably LJ. Ward was a great pick for where we got him. He had a lot of potential but he never turned out to be better than a role player. Thats life in the late 1st round.

if this team trades ANY of these 4 first round picks WITHOUT getting any first round picks in return, we will be stuck for a long long time.

OVERPAYING is this GM's M.O. and i hope that's he learned already but i don't think his ego allows it.

i think he's going to use these 2 picks and keep them, that's my gut instinct b/c of all the scouting he's been doing. that's a good thing. and pretty much the ONLY thing that will make me somewhat happier about our situation. any trades this summer WILL result in less cap manageability which will not make me happy this summer. i don't care if he turns penny into zach randolph, any contract that he gets back that even goes past 06/07 would hurt us more than help.

ALL those posts about h20's contract being the albatross and how we can never get under the cap until it's off the books amounted to absolutely nothing. with the way things are going, it's going to be marbury's contract that's the albatross...