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Does Sweetney have to go?
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joec32033
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3/30/2005  8:33 AM
This hombre is getting bigger by the day, all that weight he lost has come back and is on show for all..

Seriously, he looks like he is turning into another KT taking all these 15 foot jumpers, he isn't even dunking anymore when he gets the ball under the hoop. His strength is supposed to be getting to the line, I can't remember the last time he took a free throw.

I think we gotta clean house at the PF spot.
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3/30/2005  8:35 AM
he also doesnt play defense in the paint like he used to. He doesnt go after as many rebounds and doesnt block shots. He is slowing down and I really wish the Knicks dont waste anymore time of trying to let this guy prove himself.

Like joe said, he is getting fatter which tells more than enough.
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3/30/2005  8:39 AM
yeah I've warmed up to trading him bigtime. He looked really good last year because he was fresh. with the shape he's in he can't plsy at that level for 20+ minutes. he is best suited as a great body off the bench which is even more reason to take Chris Taft at 6-10 260 if he's on the table.
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3/30/2005  8:44 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

yeah I've warmed up to trading him bigtime. He looked really good last year because he was fresh. with the shape he's in he can't plsy at that level for 20+ minutes. he is best suited as a great body off the bench which is even more reason to take Chris Taft at 6-10 260 if he's on the table.

Dood! Great minds think alike! I would trade Sweets for an extra pick and try and get Simien or even May to play PF and plop Taft as our center, much like Amare.
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3/30/2005  9:02 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again now - Mike and Penny for Zach Randolph and Derek "salary cap purposes" Anderson on July 1 when Zach's extension kicks in.
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3/30/2005  9:04 AM
Posted by edsonline:

I've said it before and I'll say it again now - Mike and Penny for Zach Randolph and Derek "salary cap purposes" Anderson on July 1 when Zach's extension kicks in.

sounds good to me
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3/30/2005  9:04 AM
Posted by edsonline:

I've said it before and I'll say it again now - Mike and Penny for Zach Randolph and Derek "salary cap purposes" Anderson on July 1 when Zach's extension kicks in.
No way do I trade Sweetney for Zach...then we are trading a physical problem the team can actually make an attepmt to control for a mental problem that is totally dependant on the player fixing. I trade Sweets for mid loot pick...

[Edited by - joec32033 on 03/30/2005 09:05:06]
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3/30/2005  9:05 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by edsonline:

I've said it before and I'll say it again now - Mike and Penny for Zach Randolph and Derek "salary cap purposes" Anderson on July 1 when Zach's extension kicks in.
No way do I trade Sweetney for Zach...then we are trading a physical problem the team can actually control for a mental problem that is totally dependant on the player fixing. I trade Sweets for mid loot pick...
Yea. I dont want to have anything to do with Zach.
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3/30/2005  9:19 AM
if we trade Sweetney we don't need to force Taft to play center. He could problably play it but you need to be real tough like Amare to.

We need a frontcourt player. Just think about how good this team would be with a Webber in his prime with Marbury. Yes having a shaq,duncan,ewing makes winning a championship a lot easier but those guys dont grow on trees. You need a dominant inside player to contend. Even if Sweetney averages 13 & 9 for his career he is still not a dominant frontcourt player. You get by with Sweets but only if you have a big time Center. If we have a dominant insid player like Taft then we can afford to have a MLE type center or draft project.
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3/30/2005  9:51 AM
Does Sweetney have to go?

he needs to go on a diet.

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3/30/2005  11:08 AM
I hate to see it but I agree with you on most of this one and my stance on this is alot more firm over the past weeks then it was ever before. Every now and then Sweetney will go out there and have a huge quarter and he won't be able to back it up in the next quarter for whatever reason, I'm guessing fatigue is the issue. I also agree with Silverfuel, Sweets hasn't been going after loose balls like he used to before and he doesnt show nearly as much agressiveness in the post as I saw him use when he was at Georgetown. Either Sweets gets his game back thsi summer or we have to realize he'll never be more then a big fat bench guy.
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3/30/2005  11:12 AM
We all (including me) wanted Sweetney to start. But by starting him and seeing the way he's struggling against teams' first units, how much did we either (a) decrease his trade value or (b) decrease his confidence? It's possible in retrospect that we shot ourselves in the feet by starting him
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3/30/2005  11:17 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by gunsnewing:

yeah I've warmed up to trading him bigtime. He looked really good last year because he was fresh. with the shape he's in he can't plsy at that level for 20+ minutes. he is best suited as a great body off the bench which is even more reason to take Chris Taft at 6-10 260 if he's on the table.

Dood! Great minds think alike! I would trade Sweets for an extra pick and try and get Simien or even May to play PF and plop Taft as our center, much like Amare.

I'm down with trading Sweets for another pick. Take advantage of the fact he's shown signs. I personally think he is gonna be a career back-up. I was on the Elton Brand parade too but Sweets has the opportunity to really take that 4 spot for the next 10 years and failed. He has yet to out play anyone. Herb is definately babying Sweets giving him the opportunity to sucseed. I personally would like to give up on him starting and start Mo Taylor or Rose.

There are a few teams out there that have extra picks and could use a young big. Off the top of the head Chicago could use a player like Sweetney since they will lose Davis, and Othella to free agency.

[Edited by - enyspree on 03/30/2005 11:20:31]
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3/30/2005  11:19 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

We all (including me) wanted Sweetney to start. But by starting him and seeing the way he's struggling against teams' first units, how much did we either (a) decrease his trade value or (b) decrease his confidence? It's possible in retrospect that we shot ourselves in the feet by starting him

Bonn, I think it was a dmned if you do, damned if you don't type of thing. He was the #9 pick in the draft, and honestly he was almost ouplaying KT in limited time. I think teams would be WTF if we didn't play him alot. I think that by starting him, it shows he has talent and a team will take a chance on him and controlling his weight.

I hear what you say about shooting ourselves in the foot, but I think it would have been worse if we didn't play him.
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3/30/2005  11:26 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by gunsnewing:

yeah I've warmed up to trading him bigtime. He looked really good last year because he was fresh. with the shape he's in he can't plsy at that level for 20+ minutes. he is best suited as a great body off the bench which is even more reason to take Chris Taft at 6-10 260 if he's on the table.

Dood! Great minds think alike! I would trade Sweets for an extra pick and try and get Simien or even May to play PF and plop Taft as our center, much like Amare.

I'm down with trading Sweets for another pick. Take advantage of the fact he's shown signs. I personally think he is gonna be a career back-up. I was on the Elton Brand parade too but Sweets has the opportunity to really take that 4 spot for the next 10 years and failed. He has yet to out play anyone. Herb is definately babying Sweets giving him the opportunity to sucseed. I personally would like to give up on him starting and start Mo Taylor or Rose.

There are a few teams out there that have extra picks and could use a young big. Off the top of the head Chicago could use a player like Sweetney since they will lose Davis, and Othella to free agency.

[Edited by - enyspree on 03/30/2005 11:20:31]

I see Toronto and LA that may be able to use Sweets (Toronto can give us the 15 and the 38...LA could use a true PF and has he 12 and 39 picks. It can be interesting before the draft.
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3/30/2005  2:14 PM
Zach apparently has a similar cartilage problem in his knee as H20, Webber etc. He's younger and should be better suited to recover, but really, no thanks.
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3/30/2005  4:11 PM
I guess I will join the bashing. It is time to move past Sweetney as the Knicks answered to the 4 spot. I now agree with Briggs, that he isn't a starter. The guy has the Oliver Miller disease. The lower part of that 50 is starting to bulge more and more every game. My fear is that Taft has had his own weight issues, is still consider by many to be an underachiever. I would like Zeke to draft big no matter what, but I think the need is still back at the 4 spot as well as 5. I really think that Blatche will be a great talent at the 4 spot. Sorry to see Layden only good thing as a Knick GM go under but the Fat Albert jokes are no longer funny but down right true. Do the Knicks have a Strength/Fitness coach, I know under Riley they did and please don't tell me it is Mike Saunders. Because it looks like he is joining Big Sweets at the prime rib buffets.
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3/30/2005  4:24 PM
Imo we haven't quite given Sweetney enough time to reach his full potential. I think it's only fair to him and the team to give him atleast to the end of next year. Hell, if we can give Timmy 3/4 of a year to get his act moderately together then we can certainly give a kid that has much more upside (if only because of his age) another year. I obviously like Sweetney and still think that he has the ability to be something great eventhough his girth is certainly undeniable.

Having said all of this I think there's little chance of Isiah trading Sweetney, Ariza, Crawford or Marbury before the end of next season. It just doesn't fall inline with his mode of making the team younger. Very unlikely but I gotta be honest with myself as crazier things have happened. Sweetney, Ariza and Crawford go against the the normal mode of operation for the Knicks organization of the last decade and a half. New York City in general and we NYC sports fans in general are an impatient lot we are. From honking of horns to running red lights and almost running over pedestrians, to booing and chanting unmercilessly for a coaches head, we want it instantly and we want it now. I'm a fairly recent transplant to NYC and the Knicks so I don't have nearly as much invested. I really didn't become a Knick fan until they brought Isiah onboard. However, if Isiah swings this young man for a pick this off season, especially considering all of the old tired scrubs we have acquired on this team, i'll be jumping ship asap.
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3/30/2005  5:17 PM
I think Sweetney has gotten a real good chance this season. At times he excel and at others, he was just a guy on the court. He scores in bunches, which supports Briggs' theory that he is really suited for 6th man. I still remember that game he scored 18 points in the first quarter and finished the game with 18 points. Don't know if that is stamina problem or what but that sums up his Knick career thus far. He has gotten horribly worst on defense without question. He has weight issues at his young age. The saving grace is that 2003 draft was top heavy. I am not crying about not getting Nick Collison.
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