Posted by djsunyc:

i've been a fan since '87 - when i first got cable and without a doubt, this is the worst knick team i've witnessed. even in ewing's lean years, missing the playoffs was not an option. and this team is slightly worse than the shantella eisleyspoon era for the mere fact that at least those teams had chemistry. this is a rag-tag group of players that are flawed from top to bottom and have ZERO chemistry. if you look at the roster, and only truly want to keep 4 players around, and out of those 4, 3 of them are EXTREMELY flawed or have ALOT of learning to do, then the talent level is pretty putrid. uggghhh.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 03/29/2005 11:13:32]

I think you are over reacting. The worst team was clearly the one's with Weatherspoon, Eisley and Ward. That was some of the worst basketball played in Knick history. Even if they won it was terrible.

To make it more clearer.....the two years before Isiah got here were the worst years in Knick history.

This team isn't as bad as their record. January killed this team. If the Knicks won half the games they lost in that stretch they would be in the playoffs.

Nope I have to agree, I have had season tickets for the past 10 years, and i have never seen a bigger bunch of gang bangers....

Players that refuse to play defense, don't hustle, rarely try, throw away games because of stupidity....

Everyone talks about givin Isiah time, but the roster is all his players he forfeited his time when he decided to spend millions on unproven talent....

Would it have really been that bad to let contracts expire, Crawford is not an asset, Harrington, Zeke, and Williams all could have contributed, and been off the books, we didn't make the Playoffs so the Craw deal made no sense....Everyone was so happy to see anderson bought out but he is still on our cap so it made no sense, the team plays no d, so why get rid of a guy that can defend....

Laydens Knicks were scary, but they still won 39 games, with no dice, and spree missing 10, with marginal talent because they tried.....

All isiah has done has made the games more bearable, and more fun to watch.....but this team implodes, its stupid, and unless the draft pays big rewards we are still in trouble......We need houston back 100% and resigning TT is not an option

this is not the worst team, but it's team with very little identity, to many duplicate parts, no size[how many times did it irk you when murphy simply raised his hands over knick players+ we are not saying this guy is some k8ind of jumping jack!] no athletiscm.

If it was me, I think I would pencil in at this point Tim Thomas, Marbury and believe it or not, I think Maurice Taylor is our best 4 right now. Now we can acknowledge that this trio has bad defense and rebounding written all over it, so I dont know. I think JC and Sweetney may be better suited for playing 22-26 minutes off the bench where they come in against the other teams tired starters or second line players.

We have 1 1/2 guards, we have no size/height, very little athleticsm. Isiah has flipped the roster over twice, and other than Marbury, there is not one player you can count on for consistent play. Tim Thomas has been leaning that way, but Im scared to think that TT is someone we need to rely on.

I'd like to see them raise the flag here and shut down KT[he is hurt] cut back on Stabury's minutes[he doesnt need to play 45 minutes anymore--Crawford needs the time at PG} and give consistent minutes to Ariza[24] Sweetney[32] and Butler 10-14] down the stretch to see what they can do with extended consistent minutes.

Ws don't help right now, you cant bring them into next season and we cant sit here and say this is our team next year,because its not likely. The only thing we can do is evaluate some younger pieces and get better draft position, and we need it. Playing the regulars down the stretch isnt going to sell season tickets, so it has little purpose other than potential injury.

the opening for the playoffs was still there, but this team has legitmately lost it to two teams that are very deep in the lottery. That says enough.

We *really* need someone who is 6-11+ and can play. I don't know about you guys, but i would trade KT for a straw. I know hes a pretty good player, but hes not a player for this club anymore. 4 seasons of losing tells the story there+he will be 33.

Posted by BRIGGS:

this is not the worst team, but it's team with very little identity, to many duplicate parts, no size[how many times did it irk you when murphy simply raised his hands over knick players+ we are not saying this guy is some k8ind of jumping jack!] no athletiscm.

If it was me, I think I would pencil in at this point Tim Thomas, Marbury and believe it or not, I think Maurice Taylor is our best 4 right now. Now we can acknowledge that this trio has bad defense and rebounding written all over it, so I dont know. I think JC and Sweetney may be better suited for playing 22-26 minutes off the bench where they come in against the other teams tired starters or second line players.

We have 1 1/2 guards, we have no size/height, very little athleticsm. Isiah has flipped the roster over twice, and other than Marbury, there is not one player you can count on for consistent play. Tim Thomas has been leaning that way, but Im scared to think that TT is someone we need to rely on.

I'd like to see them raise the flag here and shut down KT[he is hurt] cut back on Stabury's minutes[he doesnt need to play 45 minutes anymore--Crawford needs the time at PG} and give consistent minutes to Ariza[24] Sweetney[32] and Butler 10-14] down the stretch to see what they can do with extended consistent minutes.

Ws don't help right now, you cant bring them into next season and we cant sit here and say this is our team next year,because its not likely. The only thing we can do is evaluate some younger pieces and get better draft position, and we need it. Playing the regulars down the stretch isnt going to sell season tickets, so it has little purpose other than potential injury.

the opening for the playoffs was still there, but this team has legitmately lost it to two teams that are very deep in the lottery. That says enough.

We *really* need someone who is 6-11+ and can play. I don't know about you guys, but i would trade KT for a straw. I know hes a pretty good player, but hes not a player for this club anymore. 4 seasons of losing tells the story there+he will be 33.

Briggs this is finally a post of yours I can say I agree with 110%.. The knicks need height, I mean watching murphy, who IMO is a overpaid slug, rebound over us was pathetic, I mean pathetic, it is funny, whenever you see a long rebound you know the knicks can't get it because there is no one over 6'10 that can get that, I mean that is comical..

The knicks need to shut it down, rest marbs, let craw run some point and lets see craw for 30mpg and butler for 15mpg and sweets for 30mpg also. Summer league for these guys is not a good gauge anymore, we have some games comming up against teams playing for a playoff spot like NJ that will give a full effort, it will be good to see how our young guys will react to highly intese games...

Next year we need to trim this roster and build a core that can utilize steph skills over the next 4 years while he still plays at this very high level...

i've seen worse teams when Ewing was injured for a good part of his rookie season & the best players on the court were Gerald Wilkens, Louis Orr & Rory Sparrow...btw, that Knicks team was 23 - 59 that year...the year prior wasn't anything to write home about either, but i didn't really start following the Knicks until Ewing was drafted.

84-85 team was REAL bad. Everyone can use King's and Cartwright's injury but Hubie lost that team. God rest his soul, but Debusschere was a horrible GM.
I thought the 90-91 team was bad too. Stu Jackson couldn't coach a pick up game.
And tkf is right, I remember Orr, lol.

Posted by Pharzeone:

I would take TT over Houston. If Houston takes a step on the court in a Knicks uniform it better be a reunion team. I wasn't that big of a fan of Houston at 100%. He is a jump shooter who now don't have the legs to jump off of. If Crawford is bad defensively, then Houston is down right ugly. Knicks were able to get by covering up his lack of defensive abilities with Sprewell playing the best 2 or 3.

Where have you been my friend? Glad to have another voice of reason in this group. I completely agree with you. I was never a fan of Houston either. I would never take him as a primary option for an offense. I would rather have a 100% TT than a 100% Houseless and thats not saying a lot!

I dont think this is the worst team. The worst team IMO was when Houston was the primary option, Eisley was the starting PG, Shandon and Spoon played a lot of minutes and KT was our center. I think this is a team is in transition.

Not everyone agrees with Zeke's philosophy but I am sure everyone will like the final product. I am hoping next year at this time, the Knicks team will be very close to being complete. I think this is a pretty good team actually.

Posted by TMS:

you'd rather have Tim Thomas over a fully healthy Allan Houston? wow, some of you have real short memories.

I said 100% TT over a 100% Houston which means, if TT was at the top of his game and Houston was at the top of his game, I would rather take TT. If thats because I have a short memory, I thank god for it because the memories of Houston's teams are scary.

Posted by TMS:

yeah, ok bud...tell me where TT has ever taken his teams when he's been at the top of his game?

Well ok BUD, where has Houston taken his teams?

And dont bring up 1999 cause thats when we had, LJ, Ewing (almost all year) Camby and Spree all better than him!