Posted by Marv:

TMS,
Fair enough but would you also agree that he's got some pretty serious flaws in his game and it should be taken as a pretty important priority for this franchise to address them and try to fix them?

Posted by rvhoss:

Posted by Marv:

TMS,
Fair enough but would you also agree that he's got some pretty serious flaws in his game and it should be taken as a pretty important priority for this franchise to address them and try to fix them?

yes, but that does not make him a bust/mistake.

Posted by tomverve:

JC's pass-off-the-backboard-for-a-dunk plays have not been instances of ill-conceived showboating. In both cases this season, he got hung up in the air and his defender rotated to guard the pass, giving him an open lane to make the play. What was he supposed to do, put up a difficult runner? Make a risky pass to well-guarded teammates? Or maybe it'd be more satisfactory if he layed the ball in instead of dunking it? C'mon, gimme a break. Both times, they were just the best play available.

Posted by BRIGGS:
lets not go overboard there my man. I never said that craw was worth 56mm, actually I thought his *upside* and his primary value to me was @ PG. And I think Im atleast in the ballpark there. He's a bit of a p$$Y, he shies from contact. Did I use the word bust? I think I said right now he's an expensive dissapointment, he's undiscplined and that he needs to get much stronger and hone his skills-mainly his medium range game and to stop the showboating stuff.

and what's wrong with wanting Mike Sweetney as a bench player who gets 24-26 minutes? doesnt it seem like thats his best position? he needs to lose weight as well. if i said lets trade mike sweetney when we had the chance to get Curry, thats darn straight. Mike's a good player and a solid pick that year, but we arent married to him.


I think at this point in the season, its fair to express dissapointment in Crawford and we can see why other teams wouldnt overpay.

Posted by gunsnewing:

I personally think a full season is enough to gauge that he should not be a starter on this team. Especially since he is almost 26. It's not like he's 20. But I agree there is a slim chance that he will mature since he did start playing bball late. But as of today, at best he should be a combo guard off the bench like Van Exel was in Dallas a few years ago.

Crawford, 6-5, 190-pounds, averaged 17.3 points and 5.1 assists in 80 games - including 71 starts - for the Bulls this past season. His 165 three-point field goals in 2003-04 broke the franchise’s record and he was one of just four players last season to record at least 50 points in a single game (50 points, Apr. 11 at Toronto). Originally selected by the Cleveland Cavaliers in the first round (eighth overall) of the 2000 NBA Draft and then traded to Chicago on Sep. 25, 2000, the four-year NBA veteran has improved his scoring, rebounding and assist averages in each season.

Posted by rvhoss:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I personally think a full season is enough to gauge that he should not be a starter on this team. Especially since he is almost 26. It's not like he's 20. But I agree there is a slim chance that he will mature since he did start playing bball late. But as of today, at best he should be a combo guard off the bench like Van Exel was in Dallas a few years ago.

when he was acquired, was it ever mentioned that he would be a starter?

then you were fooled into thinking Allan Houston could actually last a full season with the knee problems he refused to correct or might never be correctable. It was 100% obvious to me and a few others that Houston wouldn't last for more than a 15-20 game stretch at some point in the season. Last season made it obvious that doing nothing but resting his knees wasn't going to allow him to play a full-season again when he rested all the way through the playoffs last year when we needed him most against the Nets! That is why Isiah went out looking for a SG and signed Crawford longterm!

Posted by gunsnewing:

I personally think a full season is enough to gauge that he should not be a starter on this team. Especially since he is almost 26. It's not like he's 20. But I agree there is a slim chance that he will mature since he did start playing bball late. But as of today, at best he should be a combo guard off the bench like Van Exel was in Dallas a few years ago.