I would love it if we traded the late 1st rd picks for a mid 1st round pick and walked away with Green or McCants + Petro or another one of these centers! I would be at the garden steps the morning after getting seaon tix!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/27/2005 23:58:28]

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by nyk4ever:


Thankyou TKF, I've been saying this about Shelden FOREVER. This guy has no business of even sniffing the lottery. I think the guy is a pretty good defensive player but he doesn't have the athleticism that you need to have at 6'9 to be the shotblocker in the NBA like he does in college. I see Sheldens defensive game being VERY similiar to Kurt Thomas's in the NBA and his offensive game isn't nearly as good. I'd take him nowhere before pick 25.

Shelden can jump. Kurt can't. Guess who is a better shot blocker and rebounder?

Guess who led the NCAA in college in both scoring AND rebounding and averaged 2.5 blocks a game in his senior year. Give up yet?
Kurt Thomas.

Shelden and Kurt have very similar builds and athleticism and it didnt translate for Kurt in the NBA and it won't translate for Shelden either.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by nyk4ever:


Thankyou TKF, I've been saying this about Shelden FOREVER. This guy has no business of even sniffing the lottery. I think the guy is a pretty good defensive player but he doesn't have the athleticism that you need to have at 6'9 to be the shotblocker in the NBA like he does in college. I see Sheldens defensive game being VERY similiar to Kurt Thomas's in the NBA and his offensive game isn't nearly as good. I'd take him nowhere before pick 25.

Shelden can jump. Kurt can't. Guess who is a better shot blocker and rebounder?

Guess who led the NCAA in college in both scoring AND rebounding and averaged 2.5 blocks a game in his senior year. Give up yet?
Kurt Thomas.

Shelden and Kurt have very similar builds and athleticism and it didnt translate for Kurt in the NBA and it won't translate for Shelden either.

Yeah, I think we'd all love to have that Kurt instead of the Kurt who is in his early thirties and had three ankle operations which robbed him of his lift.

If we're comparing Kurt now to Shelden now, Shelden can jump and hasn't had any major injuries. Kurt can't and had a major injury that took a LOOONG time to heal. How do you think we got him for so cheap?

Posted by nyk4ever:


I know we're not going to agree cause I've had this argument many times before with Briggs, I've watched Shelden MANY, MANY, MANY times and I have not once been impressed by him. I just don't think his style is going to translate into the NBA and his offensive game is downright scary and not in a good way. I wouldn't touch him, I think Channing Frye improved his stock so much that he'll be selected before Shelden now and Frye won't be be picked till about 18-22 so take with what I say however you want.

I've just been impressed by his shotblocking and rebounding. I agree that Frye is probably a better prospect, but something about Shelden impresses me. I agree that where the Knicks will be picking is probably too high to take either guy.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by nyk4ever:


I know we're not going to agree cause I've had this argument many times before with Briggs, I've watched Shelden MANY, MANY, MANY times and I have not once been impressed by him. I just don't think his style is going to translate into the NBA and his offensive game is downright scary and not in a good way. I wouldn't touch him, I think Channing Frye improved his stock so much that he'll be selected before Shelden now and Frye won't be be picked till about 18-22 so take with what I say however you want.

I've just been impressed by his shotblocking and rebounding. I agree that Frye is probably a better prospect, but something about Shelden impresses me. I agree that where the Knicks will be picking is probably too high to take either guy.

Sheldan can be an Oakley type PF. He's got a very powerful sculpted body, that 7-6wingspan, but he does have slow feet. He needs to learn how to spot up, but in the nBA, he's going to be able to use that strength and get into the paint a lot and cause problems. Not a star type, but a guy who would go well with a Garnett. You put Garnett and Williams together, thats some pretty good interior D and rebounding.

I've mentioned trading Sweetney and Ariza, but don't take that the wrong way. I think they are both damn good prospects but if they can be packaged in trades to get guys in their 20's who are already playing at an All-Star level, like Artest and Randolph as I suggested, then I am for it. If the NYK is not getting back an All-Star level player in his 20's then Sweetney and Ariza should not be traded

Posted by gunsnewing:

Mike and the Mad Dog just called Channing Frye a heck of a player. It's pretty much the kiss of death when those two fall in love with a player.

Haha...yeah that is certainly the kiss of death, as those two continue to set records for being wrong on a multitude of subjects. Honestly before the Arizona-Illinois game I though Channing was a little soft and not agressive. But he really showed something to me when they kept feeding it into him. He played a tremendous all around game and shot a pretty ridiculous percentage. He has the mobility, but the he's kind of a jack of all trades master of none at this point at the C position.

you hear stull like that and its hard to believe he will fall out of the top 10.

Guns i think we're going to end up thinking it's a risk either way. If you go for more of the sure thing and leave a guy with higher potential on the table we're going to end up feeling that's a risk too. It's going to get real exciting the closer we get to the draft, but I can say I'm rooting for Isiah to be more daring than conservative on this.

if teams wanted him 20th last year and promised him that, where is he going this year? top 15?

Posted by Marv:

Guns i think we're going to end up thinking it's a risk either way. If you go for more of the sure thing and leave a guy with higher potential on the table we're going to end up feeling that's a risk too. It's going to get real exciting the closer we get to the draft, but I can say I'm rooting for Isiah to be more daring than conservative on this.

Let me rephrase that...

by sure thing I mean drafting a potential star like a Gerald Green or Chris Taft not n potentially ok player a couple of years down the road like Petro with our lottery pick. If it was between Yao and Green then I would definitely take Yao. But Petro is not Yao. He's not a lottery pick. No foreign center picked in the lottery other than Yao who was a sure thing have had good first seasons. The last one was Z. Illgaukus and that was 9yrs ago when the foreign players who were drafted were the cream of the crop. Since him the only stars who were taken we not centers. like dirk, pau, peja, ginobili etc

Nene was another but he dominated Duncan in the olympics because he clearly a pyschical specimen and NBA ready. Maybe Petro's game can translate into the NBA but first he's going to have to dominate draft camp the way Nene did before we get all excited. As of right now i think Green, Taft or McCants will have a much bigger impact on the Knicks. If Petro was a clear cut #1 pick like Yao then I would throw him in there.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/28/2005 20:00:19]