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gunsnewing
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3/27/2005  4:14 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

we do have a real star on our hands.

you bring up a good point with stats. ray shoots 42% which is not exactly hall of fame in itself and jamal shoots 39% but the diff is ray is past his prime and jcraw hasn't met his prime


there are career highs for both players:

points: 47 ray - 50 jcraw
fgm: 17 ray - 18 jcraw
fga: 28 ray - 34 jcraw
3fgm: 10 ray - 6 jcraw
3fga: 17 ray - 15 jcraw
ftm: 19 ray - 10 jcraw
fta: 20 ray - 11 jcraw
Off reb: 9 ray - 4 jcraw
def reb: 10 ray - 9 jcraw
total reb: 13 ray - 11 jcraw
assist: 13 ray - 12 jcraw
steals: 6 ray - 6 jcraw
blocks: 2 ray - 3 jcraw


the kid can hold his own with ray allen.



wow we are looking at career highs now! its not even looking at stats and averages anymore! if thats the case I can name a handful of bums who had 50pt games.

Ocassionally Crawford shot is on during a game and he goes for 40-50 but most of the time he goes 3-12, 3-10, 4-19. Ray Allen is so much more consistent its not even funny. Ray Allen is a superstar and he's not declining yet! You don't decline at 30! You slowly decline at 35-36 unless your knees breakdown which I'm almost certain it will with Ray eventually by I think its worth the gamble for only 4yrs. Not 6-7yrs!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/27/2005 18:20:11]
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3/27/2005  6:15 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by bigpimpin:

we do have a real star on our hands.

wow we are looking at career highs now! its not even looking at stats and averages anymore! if thats the case I can name a handful of bums who had 50pt games.

Ocassionally Crawford shot is on during a game and he goes for 40-50 but most of the time he goes 3-12, 3-10, 4-19. Ray Allen is so much more consistent its not even funny. Ray Allen is a superstar and he's not declining yet! You don't decline at 30! You slowly decline at 35-36 unless your knees breakdown which I'm almost certain it will with Ray eventually by I think its worst the gamble for only 4yrs. Not 6-7yrs!

yes that is too hysterical - going to career highs. well i'll tell you what - you do that, and i'll go to their head-to-head 2 nights ago.

JC 42 minutes. 3-10 fg 1-5 3's 12 points 2 boards 2 assists

RA 47 minuttes 13-23 fg 6-11 3's 40 points 9 boards 2 assists

Oh, and the win.

Whoops.
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3/27/2005  6:27 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by bigpimpin:

we do have a real star on our hands.

wow we are looking at career highs now! its not even looking at stats and averages anymore! if thats the case I can name a handful of bums who had 50pt games.

Ocassionally Crawford shot is on during a game and he goes for 40-50 but most of the time he goes 3-12, 3-10, 4-19. Ray Allen is so much more consistent its not even funny. Ray Allen is a superstar and he's not declining yet! You don't decline at 30! You slowly decline at 35-36 unless your knees breakdown which I'm almost certain it will with Ray eventually by I think its worst the gamble for only 4yrs. Not 6-7yrs!

yes that is too hysterical - going to career highs. well i'll tell you what - you do that, and i'll go to their head-to-head 2 nights ago.

JC 42 minutes. 3-10 fg 1-5 3's 12 points 2 boards 2 assists

RA 47 minuttes 13-23 fg 6-11 3's 40 points 9 boards 2 assists

Oh, and the win.

Whoops.
LOL! Maybe Bigpumpkin can "make us" understand this
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3/27/2005  8:00 PM
i'm not trying to make you understand anything. feel me

i said the kid is just as talented and can hold his own against ray allen. you said he can't. okay we disagree

you say you can name a handful of bums who had 50 point games. okay post those 50 point bums stats then. then when you name them, tell me if you ould take them over jcraw. you won't so you must know that it has more to do with just 50 point games then. right? okay then you don't think i know that either????


i've seen games where ray allen stunk of the joint just as crawford. i didn't pick any single games, i picked career highs. if you want to go by career avg.s then go by it. ray allen will outshine crawford in any category. duh but check back in 6 years

you take ray, that's cool. i just rather keep crawford

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3/27/2005  8:02 PM
i dont know their names because they were garbage players but there were some. one of them was a bench warmer on the knicks a few years ago. crawford isn't ray allen regardless and not even close. only in your eyes does he "hold his own"

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/27/2005 20:07:33]
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3/27/2005  8:04 PM
i view ray allen as more of a "NOW" type move.
the problem is that we're not a "NOW" type team.
we need a "FUTURE" type player for a "FUTURE" type team.
ray's best days are now and behind him.

let's stop with the MAX deals already and get some young chips and horses and build that way.
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3/27/2005  8:05 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


LOL! Maybe Bigpumpkin can "make us" understand this

Maybe you can make me understand how paying Ray Allen 100 million will help us?

can he dominate in the paint? can he defend the post?
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3/27/2005  8:06 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i view ray allen as more of a "NOW" type move.
the problem is that we're not a "NOW" type team.
we need a "FUTURE" type player for a "FUTURE" type team.
ray's best days are now and behind him.

let's stop with the MAX deals already and get some young chips and horses and build that way.

(applause)



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3/27/2005  8:08 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

i dont know there names because they were garbahe but there were some. one of them was a bench warmer on the knicks a few years ago. crawford isn't ray allen regardless and not even close. only in your eyes does he "hold his own"

that's what i thought you don't know them but you do know know crawford right.

tell me where i said he is ray allen? and noone has the same vision so what are you really saying? Anyways, it doesn't matter what the knicks do you will still be here talking about

say you won't
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3/27/2005  8:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i view ray allen as more of a "NOW" type move.
the problem is that we're not a "NOW" type team.
we need a "FUTURE" type player for a "FUTURE" type team.
ray's best days are now and behind him.

let's stop with the MAX deals already and get some young chips and horses and build that way.

then lets stop overpaying for guys like Kurt & Crawford too! problem is thats never going to happen with this organization
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3/27/2005  8:14 PM
how are the Knicks overpaying for Crawford and Kurt. please explain

Kurt Thomas deserve the money he gets paid. i feel as if the guy has earned it. 7 mil a year for a player that has history with a franchise is not overpaying im. he can't leap over giant buildings but he can give you more than most 7 mil a year players that have been in the league as long as he has.

my god, malik rose makes more than kurt

i think what isiah paid Crawford is decent. the guy is making under 6 mil this year. that's highway robbery. Shandon anderson amde more than Jamal

don't go there Guns
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3/27/2005  8:20 PM
overpaying as in years as well. believe it or not extra years on a contract are a lot more damaging to the Knicks than money
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3/27/2005  9:06 PM
you insult the intelligence of an agent
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3/28/2005  11:29 AM
Ray Allen is much better than Crawford. I'd be willing to sign and trade Crawford with Kurt or with JYD for Ray. A better option would be signing Bobby Simmons with the full MLE and a 3 year player opt out clause. If Simmons wants more money from someone else in one contract, then try a Sign and Trade for Ray. Zach is an ******* that doesn't play D and might have knee problems. But he can get 20/10, so he's worth the risk. Remember the last time the NYK made some controversial offseason moves and remade the team? It was the offseason of the lockout year, when they got Spree and Camby. Went to NBA Finals that year and East Finals the next. That's why you have to be willing to take risks to get talent.
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