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Cookdcokehop
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3/26/2005  2:16 AM
I know this has nothing to do about the knicks. but i really need help with my j and i was just wondering when you shoot is it better to aim for the front of the rim or the back?
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3/26/2005  2:53 AM
I aim for the net i think. aim for the swish
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3/26/2005  3:00 AM
I posted this a while back... Hope it helps.

Q&A With Holger Geschwinder
http://www.nba.com/germany/sharpshooters/holger_040831.html
By Johannes Berendt

COLOGNE, Germany -- Granted, there are many ways to practice 3-point shooting. Just ask Dirk Nowitzki. Ever since meeting his mentor Holger Geschwindner, the Dallas Mavericks star has probably come across some of the most unusual ways. A former German international who now runs a project management business, Holger has combined his great knowledge for the game, mathematic calculations and intuition to make Dirk a deadly shooter. In the third edition of the Opel 3-Point Report, he provides NBA.com an inside look at his sometimes-odd training methods.

Q: What’s the best way to practice 3-point shooting?

Holger Geschwindner: Push-ups on your fingertips - that’s the most important thing to do. It’s just because many players commit a mistake during the shot process. They start pushing the ball. Since nobody can grab the ball during the shot, you need to accelerate it continuously -- until the final acceleration at the end. That’s when most of the players lack strength, and that’s why they push the ball too quickly at the beginning. At the end, the ball leaves the hand at a sub-optimal velocity. And then you get a wild range on your shots.

Q: How many special push-ups does it take?

HG: Start out slowly. Begin with push-ups on your knees before doing normal push-ups. Ten or 15 after every practice should be enough.

Q: What else is important?

HG: A good arm movement. The elbow does the targeting. He needs to point to the basket for the arm to move into the direction of the shot. Then you’ve eliminated the most common mistakes.

Q: How did Dirk do in the early stages - was it hard for him?

HG: Of course it was. It’s hard for anybody. The youth lack strength but want to do everything at the same time. Shooting triples. Dunks. Back-flips. All at one time, of course. You need a systematic approach and, believe me, that can be excruciating.

Q: Even with Dirk?

HG: Well, we got to know each other when he was 16 3/4. So we’ve systematically started from scratch, which made it easier.

Q: How long was it until Dirk showed some early success?

HG: Five minutes after we started, that goes without saying (smiles).

Q: You have studied physics and mathematics. There is talk you’ve once calculated the optimal shot curve...

HG: It’s true. Well, you need to do just that in order to find out whether there is an optimal shot or not.

Q: So?

HG: Of course there is one! The reflection behind it is quite simple. How do you have to throw the ball so that, despite committing as many mistakes as possible, it still finds its way through the net. It’s a question of error tolerance. But every college student should be able to make the same calculations. Take differential and integral calculus. Make some derivations and create a curve. Everybody can do it. It’s no secret. The optimal angle depends on the player’s height and the distance. I’ve calculated it for Dirk and my other players.

Q: Are you pleased with Dirk’s 3-point shooting?

HG: There’s always room to improve. He shot slightly worse last season than the years before but it relates to the many prayers he had to take with the shot clock running down. That’s why his percentage went down. But he’s doing quite well in practice.

Q: Considering Dirk’s overall play, what role does his three-point shooting play?

HG: It’s one of his weapons. As a seven-footer he can draw his defender to 3-point territory, meaning a big man will be missing out on the rebound. It’s a huge advantage for your team if you have a tall guy who can shoot the three. Dirk is certainly one of the league’s better 3-point shooters for his size.

Q: Some call you a coaching guru...

HG: That’s rubbish.

Q: So what is it that you makes you different from other coaches?

HG: Nothing. It’s just our basic mentality that is different. We don’t want to educate players. Neither do we have a special recruiting program. We just assess the players individually and try to evaluate what’s best for everyone to help him develop to his potential. That’s the only difference. We don’t tell them "You gotta do this and that" but we try to help them develop step by step.

Q: You are legendary for staging summer basketball camps during which your players practice rowing and fencing as well as basketball. What’s up with that?

HG: The youth - especially when thinking of turning pro - need to talk to former gold medal winners. The sooner, the better. Those are athletes who have won it all. It’s good for young players to speak to them. Smell the air of competing at top level and find out about what frame of mind you need to reach elite level. That’s why we put them together with a bunch of former gold medal winners, like from fencing and rowing. It’s a tremendous help.

Q: What’s your basic coaching philosophy?

HG: B-ball is jazz.

Q: Why is that?

HG: Because you’ve got top individuals -- who are all absolute experts in one or another part of the game -- teaming up. Everyone steps up for a short time and plays the main role - like during a solo. And the others guys remain in the background.
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3/26/2005  5:49 AM
You shouldn't be 'aiming' for the front or back... aiming just has to do with getting the ball in a straight line to the basket. If you aim poorly, you'll miss left or miss right. Once you have it lined up right, you have give the ball the right amount of force (not too strong or too light), which you mostly just have to get a feel for.

If you're having lots of problems with your J, it's likely that you need to work on more than just aiming. I've found that the absolute most important thing for me to get my J working has more to do with my legs than my arms. You have to get a good spring into your shot. That's not to say you should jump high, just that most of the force of your shot should come from your legs. It might help to exaggerate this motion to really emphasize it for yourself and burn it into your muscle memory-- try practicing by going down into a fairly exaggerated crouch a little slower than you usually do, and jumping up in good rhythm from the crouch. Exaggerating the motion and doing it more slowly and deliberately should help you to get the mechanics down to instinct. When you're in a game situation, you don't need to crouch as much or move as slowly, but you should still have a good crouch that gives you good lift in good rhythm. You need to time your release so that you're making the most out of the spring coming from your legs. And it's very important to do all this in a good rhythm.

[Edited by - tomverve on 03/26/2005 05:59:35]
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3/26/2005  5:53 AM
Also, make sure you have the footwork down-- feet about shoulder width apart, preferably with the foot of your non-jumping leg slightly in front of the other foot, with your shoulders square to the basket.
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3/26/2005  9:38 AM
Also make sure you keep your shooting elbow tucked inclose to your body. A lot of people move it out too far.
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11/2/2007  5:05 PM
Still didn't get any helpful tips. You guys can't shoot anyway.
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11/2/2007  5:15 PM
try this. it might help.



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11/2/2007  5:29 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Still didn't get any helpful tips. You guys can't shoot anyway.

1) Practice
2) Take your time and relax.
3) Don't shoot on the move.
4) Try to observe proper form: Straight Elbow, one-hand high, and follow through, but make sure your are comfortable.
5) Find out your best spots and stick to them.
6) Use the backboard for angle shots.
7) The power for the shot should go through your whole body. That way your arm power is for adjusting and aiming. The way I got my body into that mode is to squat down as far as I could when shooting around warming up. That forces you to start with your legs and use your whole body. Do that 20-30 times before you play then you will use your whole body automatically during the game.

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11/2/2007  5:37 PM
In order to have a good jump shot you need to be good at basketball.
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11/2/2007  5:41 PM
Posted by VDesai:

In order to have a good jump shot you need to be good at basketball.

Oh I am good at basketball VD, I'm just an erratic shooter...but we can always make a friendly wager if you think I'm not good
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11/2/2007  5:43 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by VDesai:

In order to have a good jump shot you need to be good at basketball.

Oh I am good at basketball VD, I'm just an erratic shooter...but we can always make a friendly wager if you think I'm not good

I'm just providing expert Bill Walton color commentary.
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11/2/2007  7:02 PM
If you are looking to get help on your J, find someone that knows what they're doing and have them analyze your shot. No matter how good a shooter anybody on this website is, it's very difficult to teach someone to shoot via a website.

Three key points:
Shoot with your legs
Elbow in
Reach into the cookie jar
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Cookdcokehop
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11/2/2007  11:31 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

If you are looking to get help on your J, find someone that knows what they're doing and have them analyze your shot. No matter how good a shooter anybody on this website is, it's very difficult to teach someone to shoot via a website.

Three key points:
Shoot with your legs
Elbow in
Reach into the cookie jar

I actually did get some advice since I posted this thread and its been helping me alot. I was told to pretend I was shooting a basketball while standing in a telephone booth that had no roof. Visualizing that forces you to put arc on the ball

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11/5/2007  12:58 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by Bippity10:

If you are looking to get help on your J, find someone that knows what they're doing and have them analyze your shot. No matter how good a shooter anybody on this website is, it's very difficult to teach someone to shoot via a website.

Three key points:
Shoot with your legs
Elbow in
Reach into the cookie jar

I actually did get some advice since I posted this thread and its been helping me alot. I was told to pretend I was shooting a basketball while standing in a telephone booth that had no roof. Visualizing that forces you to put arc on the ball

That's good advice. Try to imagine shooting from your toes through your finger tips in an upward motion. This can help keep you from aiming the ball. When I'm shooting well my ball nearly hits the rafters. That's a product of my height and also having people constantly remind me to focus on shooting UP, instead of out. Kind of like your phone booth example.
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11/5/2007  1:02 PM
Slightly off-topic, but am I alone in being driven somewhat nuts when many of these guys in the league can't make simple midrange jumpers or even free throws?
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11/5/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by K22:

Slightly off-topic, but am I alone in being driven somewhat nuts when many of these guys in the league can't make simple midrange jumpers or even free throws?

there are about 10 really good midrange/long range jumpshooters...and they all play for toronto :)
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11/5/2007  1:08 PM
As we all get older and lose whatever athleticism we once had, the classic jumpshot and also the setshot become more and more important. Thanks for all the advice fellas.
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11/5/2007  3:52 PM
Posted by K22:

Slightly off-topic, but am I alone in being driven somewhat nuts when many of these guys in the league can't make simple midrange jumpers or even free throws?

Of course not. I don't play with guys that can't hit 15 footers or foul shots. This is why my team continues to get older, slower, less athletic and yet wins every year.
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11/5/2007  4:02 PM
Watch Jamal Crawford very carefully. And make sure you're NOT doing anything that he's doing!
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