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BRIGGS
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3/24/2005  12:07 PM
draft

pick 9-10-11 Johan Petro


pick 29-30 Nate Robinson, Louis Williams

Resign Jackie Butler

offer LLE back to Dikembe bring back Patrick as assistant coach



Lineup

C- KT Deke Petro Butler PF Sweetney Rose Taylor
SF TT Ariza JYD
SG Simmons Crawford
PG Starbury Crawford Robinson


retire Houston Hardaway to collect insurance

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3/24/2005  12:12 PM
has he been getting a lot of minutes at guard? i always thought of him as a forward. Deos he have a good enough handle?
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3/24/2005  12:13 PM
No disrespect, but you are crazy....the Clips will not trade BS....and Deke will not come back and play for Isiah.....
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3/24/2005  12:14 PM
deke will NEVER come back here.

simmons for MLE - check (he probably would get more)
petro - check
nate/louis - check

retire houston - check
retire penny - more likely a buy out
re-sign butler - check

LLE would/should be used on ariza

and bring back herb/patrick - priceless
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3/24/2005  12:23 PM
I think Simmons should probably get more than the MLE next year. He's been amazingly consistent all year year. 16-17 pt scorer who shoots at a 47-48% clip. He's a real nice player.
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3/24/2005  12:33 PM
Why Bobby Simmons should be a Knick.

A He's an unrestricted Free Agent.

B There is large number of top tier SGs on the market

C Clippers are cheap and have no rights on him.

D He's 25 and full sized with a variety of skills at the 2G 6-6 230 and athletic

E His game fits right in here

F Can rebound the ball from the 2 and plays solid D



as for Deke, money always talks, but he is not a lock, but a thought. we still need size against big teams, even if Deke can play 12-15 minutes like he does now, bring back Patrick and he will be happy. hes also the best Shaq Deterant and really if Butler and Petro evolve, we can trade that piddly contract anytime if needed.

I also believe we should try to resign T Thomas for 4 years 30mm$ extension if he'll do it. No more $ than that.
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3/24/2005  12:41 PM
I see BS in the $6-$8mm a year range. If LAC doesnt resign him he will price higher than the MLE.

I think Houston HAS to retire. He cant play now and its been way long since his surgery. Coming back at "some level" isnt acceptable. This is an issue with the CBA, but you just cant pay a guy $20mm to play 10-15 minutes a game just because he can. He's got to retire.

I think Penny will have to be a buy out.. you cant retire without a league doctor's approval. Penny will be healthy enough to play, just not play well or play for more than 20 games in a row.

If they are high on Butler I would look to do something like this:

Ariza $1.5mm start and say a 4 year deal worth about $9mm
Butler a $600k start and a 3 year deal worth $4mm
Offer Steven Hunter remaining $3mm start and a 4 year deal worth $17mm

How about Sweetney and a 2006 #1 for Magloire?
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3/24/2005  12:43 PM
the Clippers have said that they are going to lock up Simmons and let Maggette walk
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3/24/2005  12:44 PM
agree w/fish's comments here...Simmons would be nice but i think the Clips will resign him at more than the MLE...Maggette would be more of a viable trade option should they decide to unload his contract imho.
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3/24/2005  12:47 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

the Clippers have said that they are going to lock up Simmons and let Maggette walk

that might be a mistake, simmons is good, but nothing special, I watch the clipps a lot, if anyone pays simmons 6-8 million, they will regret that, he is not worth it....
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3/24/2005  12:57 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by bigpimpin:

the Clippers have said that they are going to lock up Simmons and let Maggette walk

that might be a mistake, simmons is good, but nothing special, I watch the clipps a lot, if anyone pays simmons 6-8 million, they will regret that, he is not worth it....


I disagree. The market for a 24 yO 6-6 230 pd athletic SG with his skills is probably higher. Look around the league and try to find players who have been as consistent as him. You won't find many. The key is here is the saturated market for FA 2Gs and the fact that Bobby has had only 1 great year.

Maybe the Clippers pay more???? I think they could bring an offer similar or slightly more, but there are $ opportunities here[ask jamal crawford] for endorsement deals that would nullify a few mm over 6 years.

I think it's a GREAT oppotunity for the Knicks to get a YOUNg athletic full sized SG so we can move back Crawford to the 6th man role. I think if we go on day 1 in FA and get aggresive, we can get him..
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3/24/2005  1:10 PM
Simmins is not very athletic, he is a average athlete for a SF, he has a fat ass, is not extremely quick or explosive, he is a decent defender, shooter and has a average handle... I think the market for SG is a bigger marker than that for a SF, simmons is a SF. He is a pretty good player but nothing special, I think the knicks could draft Ryan gomes who I think has more skills than simmons... I also bet that washington would probably move Jared Jeffries who also is better than simmons....
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3/24/2005  1:24 PM
Posted by tkf:

Simmins is not very athletic, he is a average athlete for a SF, he has a fat ass, is not extremely quick or explosive, he is a decent defender, shooter and has a average handle... I think the market for SG is a bigger marker than that for a SF, simmons is a SF. He is a pretty good player but nothing special, I think the knicks could draft Ryan gomes who I think has more skills than simmons... I also bet that washington would probably move Jared Jeffries who also is better than simmons....


First off, Bobby Simmons plays for the LA Clippers now. He played for the Wizards two years ago, so either you are completely lost and have no idea who the guy is, and Im guessing that you don't because you are purporting that he is not athletic when he is quite athletic, that Jarred Jefferies is better and he's no where near as good, and that a draft pick could walk in and produce like he has when Gomes doesnt have one iota of the ability to play SG.

Bobby is a smart athletic player with great size. he has shot a great % from the FT line throughout his career and once given the pT has expanded his game to the 3 pt line where he is in the top 3 for % shooting as well. He can play 2-3, which is great for our team, because TT isnt the most durable guy . Im sorry I dont mean to be rude, but it sounds like you have no clue who he is. It sounds like you think he plays for the Wizards still!
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3/24/2005  1:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

Simmins is not very athletic, he is a average athlete for a SF, he has a fat ass, is not extremely quick or explosive, he is a decent defender, shooter and has a average handle... I think the market for SG is a bigger marker than that for a SF, simmons is a SF. He is a pretty good player but nothing special, I think the knicks could draft Ryan gomes who I think has more skills than simmons... I also bet that washington would probably move Jared Jeffries who also is better than simmons....

and when i say athletic, i mean he's a good athlete. Im not saying he has superior athletiscm like Maggette, I'm saying he's a solid athlete with a solid build to him which allows him to play inside and out.

First off, Bobby Simmons plays for the LA Clippers now. He played for the Wizards two years ago, so either you are completely lost and have no idea who the guy is, and Im guessing that you don't because you are purporting that he is not athletic when he is quite athletic, that Jarred Jefferies is better and he's no where near as good, and that a draft pick could walk in and produce like he has when Gomes doesnt have one iota of the ability to play SG.

Bobby is a smart athletic player with great size. he has shot a great % from the FT line throughout his career and once given the pT has expanded his game to the 3 pt line where he is in the top 3 for % shooting as well. He can play 2-3, which is great for our team, because TT isnt the most durable guy . Im sorry I dont mean to be rude, but it sounds like you have no clue who he is. It sounds like you think he plays for the Wizards still!
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3/24/2005  1:43 PM
Briggs I agree, I'd love to get Bobby Simmons in here with the Knicks but I think he might get a shade above the MLE. For once I think the Clippers are actually set on keeping what they have together, they got a real nice core of young talent (Brand, Maggette, Simmons, Livingston and Wilcox, throw Chris Kaman in there.) I'd love to get BS in here, as you said his game would complimen the Knicks style well and he does play good defense for a 2guard on the perimeter, I just think he's going to be a bit out the Knicks range.
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3/24/2005  1:45 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

Simmins is not very athletic, he is a average athlete for a SF, he has a fat ass, is not extremely quick or explosive, he is a decent defender, shooter and has a average handle... I think the market for SG is a bigger marker than that for a SF, simmons is a SF. He is a pretty good player but nothing special, I think the knicks could draft Ryan gomes who I think has more skills than simmons... I also bet that washington would probably move Jared Jeffries who also is better than simmons....



First off, Bobby Simmons plays for the LA Clippers now. He played for the Wizards two years ago, so either you are completely lost and have no idea who the guy is, and Im guessing that you don't because you are purporting that he is not athletic when he is quite athletic, that Jarred Jefferies is better and he's no where near as good, and that a draft pick could walk in and produce like he has when Gomes doesnt have one iota of the ability to play SG.

Bobby is a smart athletic player with great size. he has shot a great % from the FT line throughout his career and once given the pT has expanded his game to the 3 pt line where he is in the top 3 for % shooting as well. He can play 2-3, which is great for our team, because TT isnt the most durable guy . Im sorry I dont mean to be rude, but it sounds like you have no clue who he is. It sounds like you think he plays for the Wizards still!

I know exactly who bobby simmons is, I watch him play some 25 times a year, I was referring to jeffries as another viable option at SF who I think will be available and who I think is a better player. I see simmons, he is not very athletic, he is no more athletic than jeffries is who IMO is a better fit for the knicks, a better rebounder than simmons and defender. I know he does not play for the wizzards , I also know that the knicks would be stupid to pay him anything more than the MLE....
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3/24/2005  1:50 PM
I want him to play 2G, he plays 2G a lot for the Clippers.
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he's a fullsized 6-6 230 powerfully built 24 SG. I cant think of a player who makes more sense per cost
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3/24/2005  2:01 PM
With the way Isiah talks about and actually uses expiring contracts, I can't imagine Penny being bought out rather than traded. I'm not sure about the Houston situation. If he retired due to injury, would the team get an injury exception worth the value of his contract that could be traded? That's the *only* way I could imagine the Knicks prefering him to retire than to keep him for his expiring contract in about 15 months.
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3/24/2005  3:31 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

the Clippers have said that they are going to lock up Simmons and let Maggette walk
how do you let Maggette walk when they just signed him to a long term contract over the summer? If you mean they would trade Maggette, I would love to get my hands on him OR on Simmons...you think the Clips would take Sweets and an expiring contract for Maggette? The clips have like NO bad contracts at all...

Maybe Penny and Sweets and a lottery protected first rounder for Maggette, Wilcox, Jaric and filler
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3/24/2005  6:46 PM
Im pushing on Bobby Simmons for MLE and Nate Robinson with pick 2 round 1.

here is the business plan

Penny and Allan Houston both retire due to injury

salary savings next year 80% of 32mm= 25.75MM$

Full MLE to Bobby Simmons 6 years 40mm, no barrier to entry, even a contract offered by the Clippers for a tad more can effectively be eradicated by an Isiah sell job--i.e Crawford/Marbury endorsement deals etc..... 6-6 230 24 years old PERFECT fit at the 2G

Draft Nate Robinson with 2nd first round pick. This is a no-brainer unless someone really slipped. Why, this kid is the BEST and I mean BEST athlete in the draft and he has excellent basketball skill--character and toughness OFF the charts


Highly intrigued with Petro, but we have to let some things shake out on pick 1.


Retain Herb for reasonable $, 3 years 10mm with team option on 4.

Offer to Sign Tim Thomas to a 3 year 22.5mm extension
Sign Jackie Butler to a minimum contract with an option year

opt in on Ariza's contract

Bring back Patrick Ewing LLE will leave open Deke iS an option


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