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3/17/2005  1:07 PM
<p>Would you do this deal if it was put on the table? It would give us some options give us one of the best shooting guards in the league and a little promise......

Could we then move Crawford and Sweetney or KT together for an established 4, a boozer or odom...

<p>We could then be very aggressive with the mid-level, possibly Brown if he continues to have a bad season....look into Wilcox and be more aggressive with our expiring deals

<p>We can shop Kurt Thomas around and see what is availble.....

<p>And we can use our three picks to rebuild, adding a high flying talent, a tough point guard, and an uproven project to go along with butler......

Or we can just let Crawford form a backcourt with along, and let him take over at point and see where it goes
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3/17/2005  1:21 PM
Allen for Marbury? Maybe if they were giving us at least 4 unprotected first round draft picks

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/17/2005 13:31:35]
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3/17/2005  1:35 PM
Allen is almost 30.If we are going to trade our biggest asset Id rather the team got younger or at least didnt get older.Even if we got Allen,It still would be a few years before this team can seriously contend so Id rather get someone who wont be near his mid 30s by that time.
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3/17/2005  1:38 PM
Starbury = Knicks.
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3/17/2005  2:03 PM
Posted by Kwazimodal:

Allen is almost 30.If we are going to trade our biggest asset Id rather the team got younger or at least didnt get older.
Yeah, that's why I said I'd do the deal only if we got at least four unprotected 1st rd picks.
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3/17/2005  2:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Kwazimodal:

Allen is almost 30.If we are going to trade our biggest asset Id rather the team got younger or at least didnt get older.
Yeah, that's why I said I'd do the deal only if we got at least four unprotected 1st rd picks.

Thats not why Bonn,dont think we arent on to you.....
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3/17/2005  4:03 PM
No thanks. It would cost us max money to bring in Ray Ray anyway, so Marbury's contract can't be the problem in this scenario.
I would love to get a jump shooter like Allen, but not at the cost of Stephon. I would move Marbury to SG before I trade him for Allen..
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3/17/2005  4:07 PM
I would love to get a jump shooter like Allen, but not at the cost of Stephon.
Yeah, I definitely would love to get him too, but only if he's going to be playing on the Knicks *with* Marbury
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3/17/2005  4:18 PM
Given the money Seattle is not willing spend on Ray, they won't on the remainder of Marbs either. If so, why not just resign Ray?

There are those whom might think Ray has more value than Marbs. Its more appealing to the seattle to get a trade like KT and Craw for Ray. Those pieces are less risky, and could take them higher. KT has some good trade value. It might be we as fans overvalue Marbs, yet undervalue KT.
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3/17/2005  4:22 PM
hell no do i trade Marbury for Ray Allen...you have to figure both players will be making max dollars for several years...what's harder to come by in the NBA? a top PG or a top SG?
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3/17/2005  4:31 PM
I'd make the trade. Allen's only 1.5 years older, i like his game better. i think he's a better shooter, better defender, runs the floor better, is truly a combo guard, could play point as well as shooting.
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3/17/2005  5:08 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Given the money Seattle is not willing spend on Ray, they won't on the remainder of Marbs either. If so, why not just resign Ray?

There are those whom might think Ray has more value than Marbs. Its more appealing to the seattle to get a trade like KT and Craw for Ray. Those pieces are less risky, and could take them higher. KT has some good trade value. It might be we as fans overvalue Marbs, yet undervalue KT.
Seattle could spend $90 mil on Ray Allen or $75 mil on Kurt plus Jamal (after including Kurt's trade-kicker). They may not want to spend $90 mil on Allen, but they have to at least realize that $90 mil on him would be a better deal than $75 mil on Kurt and Jamal unless Jamal substantially changes his game, which is a huge risk to take when Allen is such a steady and dependable player.
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3/17/2005  5:48 PM
Posted by Marv:

I'd make the trade. Allen's only 1.5 years older, i like his game better. i think he's a better shooter, better defender, runs the floor better, is truly a combo guard, could play point as well as shooting.
I totaly disagree. i haven't seen any indication that Ray Allen could play the point. And he sucks on D, Allan Houston would routinely give him 30 and better.

I don't like it.
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3/17/2005  5:58 PM
I'd only consider something like this if we got Andrew Bogut in the draft. Then you'd want to run a high post offense through Bogut with shooters at the 1,2,and 3 positions. And a run a high low with Sweets at the 4.
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3/17/2005  6:56 PM
Allen is always injured. Marbury plays every game. I'd still rather surrond Steph with bettr players then trade himfor Allen. its not Marbury's fault that he has no athletic players to play with in the front court. And his biggest target Sweetney is only allowed to play the 1st and 3rd quarters because superstar Mo Taylor and Rose have to play.
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3/17/2005  7:11 PM
At best, Marbury for Allen would be a lateral move. We'd improve perimeter scoring, particularly 3 point shooting, but we'd lose Marbury's playmaking on the pick and roll and his ability to break down defenses. Plus, Allen is older and will probably wind up with a worse long term contract than Marbury's after this summer.

So why make this trade? No dice. It would only make sense for a championship contender looking to make a final tweak to its roster, and even then, the logic is iffy-- there would need to be very specific circumstances on the team's roster for this trade to make sense.
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3/17/2005  7:16 PM
Posted by tomverve:

At best, Marbury for Allen would be a lateral move. We'd improve perimeter scoring, particularly 3 point shooting, but we'd lose Marbury's playmaking on the pick and roll and his ability to break down defenses. Plus, Allen is older and will probably wind up with a worse long term contract than Marbury's after this summer.

So why make this trade? No dice. It would only make sense for a championship contender looking to make a final tweak to its roster, and even then, the logic is iffy-- there would need to be very specific circumstances on the team's roster for this trade to make sense.

exactly great post. I much rather have Steph play alongside a good bigman since he will get him the ball as opposed to Allen who is a SG not a PG.

Center & PG is a more important position. The only way you win a championship with a SG as your best player is if you have Jordan or possibly Lebron since he makes players better unlike Kobe.

But the Knicks still need a perimeter defender at SG since Marbury isn't a good defensive player.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/17/2005 19:17:19]
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3/17/2005  7:48 PM
I hear you guys. You all make sound arguments and I wouldn't argue. I just have always had a real big appreciation of Ray Allen's game and he's one of the few players that I truly think would make us a better team than Marbs would. In fact, here's what I posted last week on the MVP thread:

Posted - 03/13/2005 :  18:42:58        
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Of course you could give it to Shaq or Duncan every year. There's a reason these guys won 5 championships in a row until last year.

This year I think you have to give it to Nash. Sometimes it's just a guy's year when he's the talk of the league. Like KG last year, AI a few years back. It's just Nash's year.

My choice for the real MVP? Ray Allen. That's a real mediocre to crappy team around him. He's been phenomenal, ridiculously valuable to that team.
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3/17/2005  8:45 PM
what you'll see if you make such a move is Ray Allen will put up good #'s, but the guys playing around him like KT, Sweetney, Rose, JYD, etc. who all feed off Marbury's penetration & dish will suffer...i don't like the move at all...if you're going to trade Marbury, it MUST be for a legitimate star calibre C, unless you're getting a player who can do it all like a Lebron or Kobe, which won't be happening.
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3/17/2005  9:37 PM
We need youth & picks! We have enough vets on this team. Say no to adding playing over 28yrs old.

We need to look long term.
No more patch-work.
BUILD a team with talented youth.

NY deserves a young and exciting team, NOT A place for vets to get paid big $$$ and retire.
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