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Serious move to ponder next year--J Craw to 6th man
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BRIGGS
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3/15/2005  11:08 PM
I hate to say this, but J Craw is a weak link as a starting SG. Why? Because he really isnt a true NBA 2G. He's much better suited as a combo G that is more PG than SG. He's a poor % shooter and hes not a good defender. I think his abilities would be maximized by using his dribble to create for others. he took ill advised shots[again] that couldve cost the knicks the game tonight. he played well on the distributing end and I think we should cater to that. I think that one of these ending contracts---i.e PENNY should be an attempt to get a SG who may have fallen out of good graces somewhere

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3/15/2005  11:12 PM
awesome that you agree with me man!

which is why I cringed when Zeke said we need a combo guard! We already have one! What we don't have is a true SG who gives us perimeter defense! It would improve our team so much along with a true shotblocking post Center who scores in the post....it would be night and day! We would be so successful adding those pieces to the pieces we already have in place!
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3/15/2005  11:21 PM
This is a no-brainer. Isiah said Craw would be the team's 6th man when he signed Craw and from what I've seen, I'd say that he was right that Crawford would be best suited to be the 6th man (unless one of your two backcourt starters is injured).
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3/15/2005  11:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

This is a no-brainer. Isiah said Craw would be the team's 6th man when he signed Craw and from what I've seen, I'd say that he was right that Crawford would be best suited to be the 6th man (unless one of your two backcourt starters is injured).

agree 100% he's a great 6th man...especially with TT playing well.
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3/15/2005  11:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think that one of these ending contracts---i.e PENNY should be an attempt to get a SG who may have fallen out of good graces somewhere

Michael Finley's the only one i can see who's contract would be a match that might fit that criteria...it would take Penny, the lottery pick & maybe another late rounder to make the deal though...not sure i would be interested in making such a deal.

Craw & the pick for Maggette would be perfect...you could get a backup combo G via free agency...or maybe trade KT w/a 2nd rounder to HOU for Sura, Baker & their #1.

C - draft pick / Butler or other draft pick?
PF - Sweetney / Rose / Mo T
SF - TT / Ariza / JYD
SG - Maggette or Craw / free agent (Raja Bell? Willie Green?)
PG - Marbury / Sura
IR - Houston / Baker?

still a young, inexperienced frontcourt, but at least we're following along w/Isiah's vision of getting younger & more athletic this way.
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3/15/2005  11:34 PM
I thought the key was to keep crawford as 6th man...we have to work a trade that keeps us craw, reezy and sweets and marbs.
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3/15/2005  11:37 PM
This is a no-brainer. Isiah said Craw would be the team's 6th man when he signed Craw and from what I've seen, I'd say that he was right that Crawford would be best suited to be the 6th man (unless one of your two backcourt starters is injured).

He would have been a hereo had he made that shot to go along with his season high 10 assist.

The off the back board shanangins against dc was just as childish as his shot he took tonight. But guess what?? he's learning, just like Ariza and sweetney. The funny thin about that..is guy's around here are longing for more "young sports center highlight no defense playing mistake prone rookie to come in here and be our savior.

If it was up to me I would trade those draft picks in a heart beat for the likes of a three to four year player who's young and has upside and some experience. Unless your getting one of the top 7 which anint happening.
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3/15/2005  11:37 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I thought the key was to keep crawford as 6th man...we have to work a trade that keeps us craw, reezy and sweets and marbs.

yeah, that would be nice...but what realistic possibility is out there that is a legitimate starter at SG who we could get w/o trading away Craw in the process? i tried to come up w/different scenarios but other than Finley i couldn't think of any...do you have any in mind?
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3/15/2005  11:52 PM
honestly, I'd rather have finley. He's a good defender (craw doesn't seem to believe in covering 3 point shooters) and he can dunk (get in the paint, same thing this late).

but I'm afraid to trade potential...seeing shandon get props for being a malcontent and getting bought out (and mourning as well for that matter) is disheartening...atleast timmy played it out and is relatively "earning" his pay this year...others in his pay bracket aren't doing any better...shaq gets $30 mill a year...that's tt and penny combined!!

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3/16/2005  1:21 AM
When we got Craw, Isiah wanted him to be the 6th man THIS YEAR and ease him into the starting lineup either late this year or maybe next year or whenever.

I totally agree that "CrawDaddy" (credit to Bip) is best suited for the PG position. But if he's gonna be the backup PG, and we get a starting SG also worthy of time, preferably another young one, then unless the guy we are signing is ohhhh, Kareem Rush, then would you think it's best to shop either Marbury or Crawford, and see what kind of talent you get in return? This wouldn't be b/c of the lack of faith in either player, b/c I have total faith in both. It would be to improve the all aroundness of the team.

BTW, on Crawfords defense. He HAS to bulk up a little, for the 50- millionth time.
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3/16/2005  7:05 AM
Craw's basketball IQ is the lowest amongst all our players...we are in a close game with 13 seconds left on the clock, why in the world would he shoot a three pointer especially when after 4 attempts before he failed miserably?? I think that the time has come for Herb to send a message to this young kid, he needs to learn to value possessions....Herb needs to pull him off the court in crucial time like the 4th quarters of game and let him watch the game from the bench...He doesn't play good defense, and most of all does not know how to make good decisions with the ball during crunch time....I can understand if we were ahead in the game for him to take that miserable shot, but we were in a tie ball game...


Granted that we could have done better as a team in the fourth, especially since we had the lead, but it was pathetic that we have allowed such a thing to happen on our home court...`

One more question, why in the world did Herb only put Ariza on Wade while the whole world knew that Wade was going to take the last shot? when was the last time that Shaq won a game in the last few seconds???? Wade has been making those buzzer shots in many games this season, TT and Ariza should have been on his face......Poor decision Herb....
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3/16/2005  8:34 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

When we got Craw, Isiah wanted him to be the 6th man THIS YEAR and ease him into the starting lineup either late this year or maybe next year or whenever.
Are you sure that's what Isiah said?
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3/16/2005  8:39 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

When we got Craw, Isiah wanted him to be the 6th man THIS YEAR and ease him into the starting lineup either late this year or maybe next year or whenever.
Are you sure that's what Isiah said?
Yes. I heard it on Knicks pregrame.
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3/16/2005  8:42 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

When we got Craw, Isiah wanted him to be the 6th man THIS YEAR and ease him into the starting lineup either late this year or maybe next year or whenever.
Are you sure that's what Isiah said?
Yes. I heard it on Knicks pregrame.
I must have missed it, but I'm sure the plan was to wait until he was ready to be a starter, which he still isn't. There's nothing wrong with having him as a 6th man. He can be a healthy version of bobby jackson.
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3/16/2005  9:08 AM
I actually didn't hear that on the Knicks pre game, b/c I didn't watch it. Yet there was so much hype surrounding him, when we got him, it seemed like he was destined to take over Houstons place (If Houston would in fact get healthy, which he didn't). But you are right, he can be a nice 6th man, but he's no Bobby Jackson. He is playing MUCH more controlled, but his defense is just bad. He still also jacks up a lot of bad shots. But you can clearly see the improvement. He doesn't take it to the hole nearly enough however.
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3/16/2005  9:23 AM
I agree that I rather he come of the bench and I also agree with the complaints about his defense and bad shot selection. Even as a sixth man he is going to have to improve in those areas before he's going to be really effective.
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3/16/2005  9:31 AM
For a brief moment Crawford proved why so many people were excited with the pickup, passing up jump shots taken the ball to the basket, finding the open man, playing within himself

Then Jamal became well Jamal, taking fadeaways, launching ill advised shots and helping the knicks lose the game
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3/16/2005  11:47 AM
There's nothing wrong with having him as a 6th man. He can be a healthy version of bobby jackson.

Bobby Jackson's a good defender...i don't see the correlation...just because he's a 6th man on a team doesn't draw any comparisons to me...Craw needs serious work on playing defense.

[Edited by - TMS on 03/16/2005 11:50:23]
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3/16/2005  11:49 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Craw's basketball IQ is the lowest amongst all our players...we are in a close game with 13 seconds left on the clock, why in the world would he shoot a three pointer especially when after 4 attempts before he failed miserably?? I think that the time has come for Herb to send a message to this young kid, he needs to learn to value possessions....Herb needs to pull him off the court in crucial time like the 4th quarters of game and let him watch the game from the bench...He doesn't play good defense, and most of all does not know how to make good decisions with the ball during crunch time....I can understand if we were ahead in the game for him to take that miserable shot, but we were in a tie ball game...

that's what you have to deal with having Jamal on the team...some days he's going to be the hero & make the last second shot to win a game for you, like he did against HOU earlier this year, & some days he's going to brick a shot & have you pulling out your hair at the shot selection.
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3/16/2005  12:01 PM
I agree with all of you, Jamal Crawford should be a 6th man on this team. I like Guns idea of going after a 2guard that can play defense and score the ball, I think Michael Finley would be asbsolutely perfect but who knows if he is available. I've seen alot of talk on here about a deal for Corey Maggette, let me tell you, the Clippers are not going to trade him. I know, I saw the article on this board the other day too, but the Clips just locked him up recently to a multi-year deal and they aren't going to give up on that young core that consists of him and Elton Brand. We have to look elsewhere for a SG, but Michael Finley would be a nice start, maybe we can finally convince Cuban to pull the trigger on the deal that centers on Kurt Thomas? I doubt it, but it's a start.
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Serious move to ponder next year--J Craw to 6th man

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