Ariza is developing and we're four months closer to when Isiah has a lot of trade assets than we were at the start of the season in November. That's basically all that's been accomplished.

A backup center was turned into 2 #1 draft picks.

Im starting to come around. I still don't like the Taylor trade at all. But I like the guys we have in Marbury-Crawford-JYD-Rose-Ariza-Sweetney. If we could add some outside sharpshooting and some shotblocking we will be in good shape. I would love to move KT in a package for Tyson Chandler.

The only thing is what to do with Penny-TT-Taylor.

Posted by gunsnewing:

you're right...NOTHING SO FAR!!!

it was starting to look good until Herb pencilled in Penny for 35mins and Ariza for 7mins a game and decided to play Taylor during every 4th quarter, the most important quarter, instead of Sweetney. Sweetney starts playing consistently every game yet he still can't get 20mins a game... WTF!!!!!

All while missig the playoffs and most likely not landing a top 5 draft pick!!!!


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/14/2005 14:15:10]

dude, you can't complain about not getting a top five pick when you said all along they should try to make the playoffs and Zeke will save them with a great pick no matter where they pick.

They tried for the playoffs and fell short. No they won't get Bogut or the chance to be swept by the Heat.

I agree that our best move was dumping Lenny. I don't think he's the right coach for any team at this point in his career. We're in a position to get a real coach this summer. If Herb can miraculously get this team into the playoffs, than he'd be worthy of hiring. Otherwise there will be solid guys like Phil, Flip etc. available.

I think Ariza has developed pretty nicely. I don't think you need to play him more than he's playing. He's 19, and was a 2nd rounder. He needs to learn a lot, but you also don't want to overextend him because I don't think he's played this much basketball before. He only had 1 year of college basketball.

Sweetney is making progress, but way too slowly. He was very NBA ready coming out of college and we've been coddling him. By stockpiling power forwards again we're taking a bit of a step back.

We got some first round picks for Nazr. Late firsts yes, but a positive deal.

The rest...well, its been pretty disastrous. Now way we should've finished below .500 this year.

Posted by gunsnewing:

you don't develop with only 4-7mins a game while Penny gets 35mins

Don't make stuff up. Ariza's getting 18 mpg. That should be enough for him to develop. Many 1st rd picks aren't getting that many minutes, let alone mid 2nd rd picks.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Don't make stuff up.

hilarious

actually you are wrong. The last time he got over 20mins was Feb 22nd almost a month ago. Since then he's been averaging 11mins. Do the math.. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/trevor_ariza/game_by_game_stats.html

A lot has been accomplished. This team is full of crap and cap. Just realized this season that you won't win with Marbury and KT. Sweetney is a solid player but the team still doesn't trust him. Ariza may have a bright future but will be underdeveloped for next year. Just as Sweetney was this year. That the KNicks will never be over .500 to end the season with KT in the lineup. Crawford needs to be traded for a better shooter and overall basketball player. This team is just to stupid to tank. And some player have big contracts and big mouths. Herb is not that great a coach but like his defense first attitude but new battle cry will be give Herb a full preseason and camp before you judge him just like Wilkens, another mistake waiting to happen the Knicks need to take on Phil Jackson even at the expense of IT. Marbury is a joke of a player a loser, won't be innvolved in any way shape or form in a championship dream for NYK. He is not Pat Ewing not a franchise player and need not be treated as one.

This team needs to tank and get the best possible draft pick, If drafting Pat Ewing with the number one overall didn't teach this team on how to get better, I very much doubt they ever will.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't make anything up but after looking at the facts it looks like you, Bonn, are the one making things up!

I guess NBA.com was making things up when it said Ariza was playing 17.7 mpg, right Gunny?

you cant just look at season averages all the time. Again Ariza was getting 20 even 30 minutes over a month ago and he was averaging 11 & 4. Better than TT since you're so into season averages. Since Penny returned Ariza has been Averaging 11mins. Therefore his developement process is being slowed down much like Sweetney's but a lot more drastically because at least Sweetney has been averaging a walloping 19mins per game!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/15/2005 10:43:57]