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gunsnewing
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3/13/2005  1:18 PM
Someone brought this up at another forum. What do you think about this? I think its a good idea if we can't get a good big man for Penny or TT. There are so many stiffs I would rather have Stackhouse. When he has played he has performed better than every guard on Dallas this year. Just look at his stats before he strained his groin. He is still only 30 so he has at least a good 3-5yrs left of high level basketball left in him. How's his defense? I remember him being pretty damn good when he led Detroit to the playoffs that year. He will give us the big SG we need in order to allow Crawford to be the combo guard off the bench for 30mins a night.

Well here's the trade and why I think its possible:

Penny (15.75mill through '06) for Stackhouse(8mil through '07) and (hugh!) A.Wahad (7.5 through '07). For Mr. Cuban, 14.812.500 dollars less in 2006/07. He's got plenty of good guards already(Finley,Daniels,Howard,Terry).For us, a big scorer and the plan to get closer to a more manageable cap after 2007 with H20 gone would still be intact.





[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/13/2005 14:08:15]
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3/13/2005  1:52 PM
I like this trade. I rate stackhouse, he can flat out score, and he can get into the passing lanes. I don't think he's a good perimeter defender per se, but our perimeter defense can't get any worse.

the one thing I would say is that I don't think hell be able to play with steph as he needs even more touches then craw. but I say that before he admirably took on the sixth man role in dallas this year, so maybe he can adapt..

what I would say though is that if we do this deal it will probably get done nearer the deadline, and considering the saving we give them, I think we have the right to ask for more then wahad to balance the numbers maybe henderson, who's woken up this year and can play center. I don't know his numbers, but its an idea
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3/13/2005  1:58 PM
mavs wont do that. They basically traded jamison for stack and they don't care about cap so its not going to happen. I would love it tho.
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3/13/2005  2:03 PM
They don't need Stack. Sheeet they don't need half the players they currently have.

While we're at it lets trade them Steph and try to get Devin Harris back. Start this rebuilding thing for real!

[Edited by - enyspree on 03/13/2005 14:06:37]
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3/13/2005  2:03 PM
o0oo... stackhouse... thats a guy who can score
Marbury is finally home at MSG!
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3/13/2005  2:04 PM
Posted by Clean:

mavs wont do that. They basically traded jamison for stack and they don't care about cap so its not going to happen. I would love it tho.

yeah they would problably rather trade Finley before they trade Stackhouse. But if Dallas does want to get rid off some of that excess payroll and get out of Wahad's terrible deal they might be willing to let Stack go since they have so many good guards. I would just hope that Isiah doesn't settle for Finley who is older and extremely injury prone. I don't think he will since he didn't go after Webber.

Getting Stacked for Pennies would be a lot cheaper than giving up Crawford for Vince "jumpshooter" Carter!
you like that one??

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/13/2005 14:06:34]
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3/13/2005  2:06 PM
o0oo... stackhouse... thats a guy who can score
Marbury is finally home at MSG!
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3/13/2005  2:06 PM
o0oo... stackhouse... thats a guy who can score
Marbury is finally home at MSG!
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3/13/2005  2:12 PM
Stack was getting a ton of minutes and scoring over 20pts before he hurt his groin. Then he missed some games and when he finally game back there wasn't a need to force him in there, since they've been playing well with the other 300 guards they have and I think he sprained his groin again so now he's back on the injured list. He's a proven scorer on a team with a ton of scorers.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/13/2005 14:14:40]
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3/13/2005  3:23 PM
Stackhouse must have a groin made of glass.
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3/13/2005  3:27 PM
then again guys like Dolan and Cuban don't care about team payroll since they have a basketball team as their toy. He would problably trade one of those guards for an overpaid bigman before he decides to cut payroll with Penny.
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3/13/2005  3:53 PM
o0oo... stackhouse... thats a guy who can score..when he wants to play and is not injured...
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3/13/2005  3:57 PM
It must be fun to be rich......Cuban is wealthy!!!!!!

He is a multi-billionare...he can afford to buy 5 teams if he wanted to.

The Dolans are basically the same except they own more than just the Knicks....and Time Warner is killing them in the cable business.

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3/13/2005  4:27 PM
Hell no, Stack is a hugg, we have enough of that here in N.Y....What we need is to stay the course and draft well...We can get a bigger SF/SG to come in and replace both Penny and Houston....We need healthy bodies, and Stack is definitely not one of them....Besides, he is too expensive...
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3/13/2005  4:35 PM
One of the few times I agree with diderotn. Stackhouse isn't the direction we should go in. It would be a better investment to find a swing man in the draft. If that fails, play Ariza at the 2 and give JYD more of a role at the 3, atleast for the time being.
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3/13/2005  4:49 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

One of the few times I agree with diderotn. Stackhouse isn't the direction we should go in. It would be a better investment to find a swing man in the draft. If that fails, play Ariza at the 2 and give JYD more of a role at the 3, atleast for the time being.

that would be a disasterous lineup. JYD is not a starter he's too much of a liability offensively you can also argue that ariza is too but you can get buy with 1 liability but not 2.

Stack's contract ends after 2007 like Houston and taylor so its not that bad an idea if we dont wind up drafting an amazing SG. I don't want to have to bank on a SG who is taken late in a draft because best case scenario he'll be a prospect for a couple of years. I also don't want to bank on Ariza being the starting SG. He can be but he needs to show improvement in a lot of areas and its gonna take more than another year imo.
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3/13/2005  5:06 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

that would be a disasterous lineup. JYD is not a starter he's too much of a liability offensively you can also argue that ariza is too but you can get buy with 1 liability but not 2.

Stack's contract ends after 2007 like Houston and taylor so its not that bad an idea if we dont wind up drafting an amazing SG. I don't want to have to bank on a SG who is taken late in a draft because best case scenario he'll be a prospect for a couple of years. I also don't want to bank on Ariza being the starting SG. He can be but he needs to show improvement in a lot of areas and its gonna take more than another year imo.
Who said anything about starting? I assumed you meant to keep Marbury and Crawford in the backcourt, and bring Stack off the bench if we kept TT.
I also see Ariza as a 3, but I was talking about next year. Right now, he can pass off for a 2. I just meant give him extra minutes at SG so we can break in some minutes for JYD, who seems to be glued to the bench lately.
I don't really see Ariza playing some time at the 2 behind Craw, and the 3 getting minutes split between TT/JYD/Ariza as being disasterous, but I agree it couldn't last for multiple seasons. It would just be a quick adjustment until we could find a quality swing man in the draft.
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3/13/2005  5:24 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by gunsnewing:

that would be a disasterous lineup. JYD is not a starter he's too much of a liability offensively you can also argue that ariza is too but you can get buy with 1 liability but not 2.

Stack's contract ends after 2007 like Houston and taylor so its not that bad an idea if we dont wind up drafting an amazing SG. I don't want to have to bank on a SG who is taken late in a draft because best case scenario he'll be a prospect for a couple of years. I also don't want to bank on Ariza being the starting SG. He can be but he needs to show improvement in a lot of areas and its gonna take more than another year imo.
Who said anything about starting? I assumed you meant to keep Marbury and Crawford in the backcourt, and bring Stack off the bench if we kept TT.
I also see Ariza as a 3, but I was talking about next year. Right now, he can pass off for a 2. I just meant give him extra minutes at SG so we can break in some minutes for JYD, who seems to be glued to the bench lately.
I don't really see Ariza playing some time at the 2 behind Craw, and the 3 getting minutes split between TT/JYD/Ariza as being disasterous, but I agree it couldn't last for multiple seasons. It would just be a quick adjustment until we could find a quality swing man in the draft.

ohhhh yeah I agree which is why i'm puzzled when Penny goes 0-8 from the field and still gets 32 minutes while Ariza goes 2-3 and only gets 8mins
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3/14/2005  9:49 AM
Vince Carter is a much better player than Stack, and 3x better than Craw.....It would have been a blessing had we traded, for him
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