Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bigpimpin:
I watched the game and Bogut is a good player but i don't see him even averaging 20 and 10
and i mean 20 and 10 ever. wait let me say this cause i don't want to sound like he just can't average 20 and 10. if he is playing with a jason kidd then yeah he can but not with these high flying shoot more than you pass knuckleheads that are coming to an NBA city near you, soon
pro basketball is not the same as college basketball. Unless he is a superior athlete (and Bogut isn't)
but he is a good true center with some skill and that's a great start
I'll say it once, I'll say it again, Andrew Bogut is going to be an NBA superstar. the number 1 pick is a farce because the gap between Bogut and the next player is a mile. you might as well say pick 1 then pick 5. I love athletic players, but if you are not old enough to have seen guys like Kevin Mchale, Larry Bird, then you have no objective opinion.
i watched Uconn stop Shaq using a face guard and a man behind him in CBB, it makes it very difficult even for a guy like Shaq to get a target to receive the pass and make a move. College basketball is dominated by the G. Does this player have defecincies? YES, does he need to put on a solid 10-15 YES what is his skill level for a 7-1 245 pd 20 YO? off the charts. He's going to be a 19-20 pt 11-12 rebound guy in year 1. hes going to be an impact player. in his prime he will average 25-27 points for multiple years.
This is the best center prospect since Shaq came out. he stands apart from other C's because this guy can REBOUND the ball, unlike other C that have been talked about here. this is a 7-1 player who can play, and he is a low post C, a very unique combination, yet he has tha baility to step out. he has the best footwork for a college C since Bill walton. OK so you see where I am going with this. If we somehow won the lottery and chose to pick someone else, it would be a collosal error and error that could not be rectified because this is once in a decade type player.
Briggs - I've seen Bird, Mchale and Walton. I don't think Bogut is close to that class of player and even they didn't meet the almost unbelievable production you predicted for bogut 25-27 12-13 rebounds over a number of years. Those are number most Super-Stars have trouble reaching in their best years. Neither Bird, Mchale nor Walton ever did it. Do you realize how high you've set the bar for this guy?
Bird was one of the best shooters to ever play, had great basketball smarts, was an intense competitor, had no fear and could always rise to the occassion. Do you think Bogut's skills, court sense to Bird? Do you think he plays with as much intensity and confidence? That's a bold prediction. (and how many "Next Larry Birds" have actually lived up to the billing)
Mchale had great footwork, great competiveness, good smarts and played on a great team where he almost never was the primary focus of the defense. He also had Experience - he didn't average 19 pts until his 5th year in the league never averaged as many as 10 rebounds. Is Boguts footwork and post game equal to Mchales? Could Mchale have scored as well in the Low Post without Larry and Robert Parish? Can Bogut optain Mchales peak level in just a couple of years and maintain it longer? Was Mchale even a dominant player for more the a year or two?
The statistical bar you set is tremendously high. Even the Superstars you've compared him to didn't reach it. Even with incredible physical talent and basketball skills - it's hard to predict that level of production.
3/13/2005 10:18 PM