bogut and granger are both VERY impressive. granger's shot is great and bogut can help a team out just by being on the court

Posted by OldFan:

Just saw most of the first 1/2 and it's the first time I've seen Bogut. He seems to have good court sense, nice feet moves under control but...

- He seems to get pushed around pretty easily.

- He's almost too under control - not aggresive.

My first impression is he's going to get muscled in the pros. Is he strong enough to be a five?

Most of you guys watch a lot more CBB and probably have a lot better handle on it - so I'd appreciate some feedback.

Have to say Im surprised.He is nothing like I expected.I saw the highlights and I expected him to be more agressive.I agree that he was pushed out of the blocks easily.Maybe he is trying to stay out of foul trouble.Its only one game so the jury is still out as far as Im concerned.

Posted by Kwazimodal:

Posted by OldFan:

Just saw most of the first 1/2 and it's the first time I've seen Bogut. He seems to have good court sense, nice feet moves under control but...

- He seems to get pushed around pretty easily.

- He's almost too under control - not aggresive.

My first impression is he's going to get muscled in the pros. Is he strong enough to be a five?

Most of you guys watch a lot more CBB and probably have a lot better handle on it - so I'd appreciate some feedback.

Have to say Im surprised.He is nothing like I expected.I saw the highlights and I expected him to be more agressive.I agree that he was pushed out of the blocks easily.Maybe he is trying to stay out of foul trouble.Its only one game so the jury is still out as far as Im concerned.

Yep - I agree the jury is still out. It may be like that great movie that you keep hearing 'bout that ends up being good but less then the hype so it's disappointing.

Bogut just stepped out and hit a 3 to keep Utah in the game!

Granger closes it out at the line and comes up with a spectacular effort in one of the biggest games in his career. New Mexico is now in the NCAA tourney...

this was definitely one of Boguts worst games yet he still got 19 & 15

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by VDesai:

Granger closes it out at the line and comes up with a spectacular effort in one of the biggest games in his career. New Mexico is now in the NCAA tourney...

he's a good player, i said it on another thread I think he's a top ten talent. he's got tremenous size at the three and can rebound, handle and shoot it.

Bogut wasnt as good as the last couple of times I saw him[although he did have 19-15] When Bogut is able to fill out[he just turned 20] and is something like 7-1 260, he's going to be very hard to deal with because of his size footwork hands and wingspan. We don't understand this now, but if he wa standing next to almost any Knick other than sundov, he would tower over them, but unlike a guy like sundov, this is a skill player who is really, really good around the basket. thats why he is a no-brainer number 1 pick. Putting on 10-15 pounds at that size with a pro trainer is cake. Lets see who wil be bale to guard him 1-1. Its not like in CBB, when you can guard a player with 2 people and then converge every time he gets the ball. It makes the target hard to reach, you literally have to throw the ball to him through 2-3 guys. In the NBA, if you commit two guys to a player every single time, thats trouble.

Briggs - You certainly follow much closer then I do but, on very limited data, I don't think Bogut is a shoo-in to be a star in the NBA. 10 or 15 lbs will make a huge difference but is that gonna make him strong enough to deal with NBA players - there is a huge gap in strength from the CBB to the NBA. It's hard to predict how a player will mature physically.

I like his court sense. He moves well but not exceptionally well - not as well as a Duncan, Dirk or Garnett. Is he normally more aggressive? I know they were tripling him all night - but I didn't think he was fighting that hard to get the ball.

My first impression is he has potential but I don't see him coming into the league and immediately making his mark.

I really like Bogut, I think you will be shocked when he gets 1-1 coverage in the nBA. this guy will be a 25-27 point 12-13 rebound C for a long time. Id bet my britches that in year 1 he will average 19-20 points 11-12 rebounds. He's a franchise talent, a super talent. The league they play is highly under-rated, there are some really good players. I mean if you look at some of the mocks, they have Granger going in the 2nd round. I mean I have seen all of the SFs in CBB and I really like Joey Graham, but Granger is the best true SF I have seen this year. he can handle rebound post shoot play D, heck he looks like Scottie Pippen. Both guys in that game were lottery picks. the C is the number 1 pick hands down, there is no close second, quite frankly because the odds of getting a young C of his caliber anytime soon is probably zero. and we arent talking 6-9 1/2 in shoes, we are talking 7-0 in bare feet.

Yeah, I like him too, but there is no way in hell that Isiah will endup with the top three picks.....Let's focus on another player...

Ok - I think probably everybody on this board watches more CBB ball then I do and probably knows more about it. But I think Bogut is being over-rated. He apparently is a smart player but I don't think he is smart enough to make up for the fact that he will not be a superior physical talent in the NBA. Duncan, Shaq, Garnett, Dirk are all smart and better athletes - he won't be in their class.

Briggs - you're a great poster and you know your hoops but I'll be amazed if he ever has one year in the range of what you claim he can do for a long-time (25-27 pts 12-13 rebounds)

Guns - Sorry - but I don't think if he comes out this year he'll average 15-10 his rookie year either.

More importantly I don't think he'll ever be a dominant defensive player. He has length but he won't be strong enough, quick enough, or have enough hops to be a great defensive player in the NBA. He's not even an intimidating shot blocker in college.

He may develop into a good NBA player but he won't be one of the top 4s or 5s (There are so few talented bigs playing center, you can be a "top" center and still not be a dominant player in the league)

I respect your opinions but in the interest of debate - I disagree - please feel free to point out my mistake should Bogut prove me wrong in the future.



[Edited by - oldfan on 03/13/2005 21:45:57]

Posted by OldFan:

Ok - I think probably everybody on this board watches more CBB ball then I do and probably knows more about it. But I think Bogut is being over-rated. He apparently is a smart player but I don't think he is smart enough to make up for the fact that he will not be a superior physical talent in the NBA. Duncan, Shaq, Garnett, Dirk are all smart and better athletes - he won't be in their class.

Briggs - you're a great poster and you know your hoops but I'll be amazed if he ever has one year in the range of what you claim he can do for a long-time (25-27 pts 12-13 rebounds)

Guns - Sorry - but I don't think if he comes out this year he'll average 15-10 his rookie year either.

More importantly I don't think he'll ever be a dominant defensive player. He has length but he won't be strong enough, quick enough, or have enough hops to be a great defensive player in the NBA. He's not even an intimidating shot blocker in college.

He may develop into a good NBA player but he won't be one of the top 4s or 5s (There are so few talented bigs playing center, you can be a "top" center and still not be a dominant player in the league)

I respect your opinions but in the interest of debate - I disagree - please feel free to point out my mistake should Bogut prove me wrong in the future.

Let's hope the 10+ teams picking before us share the same logic.