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djsunyc
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3/9/2005  2:38 PM
ISIAH THOMAS admitted he was caught off guard by the fusillade of criticism he received for his maneuvers at last month's trade deadline.

I was surprised Thomas was surprised. How many times had he come to Madison Square Garden during his 13-year career with Detroit? You would think he would have been used to the scrutiny of the omnipresent news media.

On second thought, it is one thing to breeze in and out of New York, and it is something else to work here and be in control of a team that sophisticated New Yorkers cherish: the Knicks.

He was called stupid; one of the players he acquired was called a bum. There were predictions that after only 14 months as president of basketball operations, Thomas was in trouble.

"I was surprised because I didn't understand where it came from and why it came," Thomas said yesterday. "You'd think that I had traded Patrick Ewing, or somebody."

When you become manager of the Yankees or head coach of the Giants or president of the Knicks, you have essentially agreed to walk against traffic and across the West Side Highway. No surprises, you know what's coming; you try not to get killed.

Still, I was puzzled by the intensity of the criticism of Thomas. These were no blockbuster deals. The Knicks traded Nazr Mohammed for Malik Rose, Maurice Taylor and two first-round draft picks. They traded Vin Baker, who was not playing; Moochie Norris, who was not playing; and Jamison Brewer, who was not playing.

From the reaction of the critics, you would think the Knicks had players other teams wanted and simply chose to hoard them. The problem these last few seasons is that the Knicks have plenty of nothing.

Now they have a little something. After last night's 93-83 victory over the Wizards, the team is 5-1 since the trade deadline. It has also won seven straight at home.

"When I came here last December, my job was to fix the toughest job in sports," Thomas said. "Our fans who come to the games every single night understand what's going on in our building and they see the difference."

Thomas may not be doing as great a job as he thinks, but he is certainly not doing it as miserably as critics suggest.

He took the job in December 2003 after being fired as head coach of the Indiana Pacers by Larry Bird. His selection was immediately criticized. The criticism was so scathing that James L. Dolan, the chairman of Madison Square Garden, asked Thomas if he was up to the task.

"He said, 'Can you do this?' " Thomas said. "I said, 'Yeah.' The only thing I want is time to fix it, because it's going to take a long time to fix it, because it took a long time for you to get here, so don't think it's going to magically turn around."

Dolan gave Thomas a seven-year deal. Given the events unfolding at Madison Square Garden, that is an eternity. What the Knicks, Madison Square Garden and even Dolan will look like in seven years is anyone's guess. Dolan is battling powerful forces - including his father - over a series of issues that include Cablevision, a possible West Side Stadium and Time Warner, which is currently not showing Knicks games.

"He's done a good job of insulating the team from what is going on with the cable company; those are entirely different things," Thomas said of Dolan. "The Knicks are one thing, what happens with cable is another. Although they own it all, it hasn't affected our business at all."

It is intriguing whether the Knicks, under Thomas, will come out from under the weight of misguided contracts and shed the mentality that Knicks fans need glitz, glitter and big names.

I am guessing they will. I would like to see Thomas succeed. More than that, I'd like to see the Knicks and New York regain the imprimatur as the hoops capital of the world. Given the arc of Thomas's career - college all-American, leader of a national championship team, two-time N.B.A. champion, Hall of Fame player, owner, coach and now team president - one of these ventures has to work. It might as well be the Knicks, a misguided, improperly run franchise that has survived all these years.

"He's been very supportive," Thomas said of Dolan. "He understands how we're trying to clean it up, the things we have to do, and he's very happy with where we're going.

The Knicks' problems have not been money, but money misspent. "The problem is he spent a lot of money, but he spent it on bad talent," Thomas said, referring to Dolan. "What I'm trying to do is make the money equal the talent. The problem is that the talent hasn't equaled the money, and what I'm trying to do is get players here who have talent and the money justifies the talent."

I asked Thomas for an abbreviated state of the Knicks.

"I like the position that we're in today much better than I did 12 months ago," he said. "When I got here, there was no future, there was no hope," Thomas said. "Now we have a present and a future."

The future above the court at Madison Square Garden is a lot less certain.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03/09/2005 14:39:24]
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Kwazimodal
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3/9/2005  2:51 PM
I dont believe that the trade had anything to do with their record since then other than KT doing a better job than Nazr at the 5 and TT starting to come out of his slump not to mention better shot selection from Crawford.I dont think we can thank Rose and Taylor.Herb should get some credit.


I wont like the trades until IT shows with his draft picks that it was worth it.We dont need Rose or Taylor at this stage of the game,certainly not their bloated contracts.
Isiah has all these expiring contracts coming up when Houston's is finished.If he doesnt take on any other vets nobody wants and their big contracts then things may turnout alright.If he follows the path of his predecessor and keeps piling on players we dont need,players that will take valuable time from the young players we should be developing then I hope he is sent on the first plane out of town.



[Edited by - kwazimodal on 03/09/2005 14:54:15]
djsunyc
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3/9/2005  2:55 PM
i can't believe i'm saying this but i would be HAPPY if tim and penny are on this team next year.
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3/9/2005  2:56 PM
"The problem is he spent a lot of money, but he spent it on bad talent," Thomas said, referring to Dolan. "What I'm trying to do is make the money equal the talent. The problem is that the talent hasn't equaled the money, and what I'm trying to do is get players here who have talent and the money justifies the talent."

This is what scares me. How do Vin Baker and Mo Taylor fall into the catagory of getting your money's worth?

We are in better position because we have better players. That much is for sure, but we have no flexibility and our roster is packed, literally with guys that will be a VERY tough to move in any capacity.
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djsunyc
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3/9/2005  3:00 PM
7 year deal, to me, means he's GM'ing for 4 and then moving down to coach for 3 - he's going to bring in as many of his players as possible and then make a HUGE money deal with the allan houston contract and then coach in 07/08 bringing in another GM.
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3/9/2005  3:02 PM
I would say that there's flexibility in terms of being able to move players, but not in being able to sign free agents. I think the Knicks will have a different version of flexibility for the next few years, but it's not like no one else in the league operates like this. See the Kings, Mavs and Blazers. Those teams have just as little financial flexibility and just as little chance at winning a title. I think Zeke can do things, but as I've ranted in other threads, without a top pick, it won't amount to much unless we get incredibly lucky.
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3/9/2005  3:02 PM
We will be just fine...Don't worry...


Posted by fishmike:

"The problem is he spent a lot of money, but he spent it on bad talent," Thomas said, referring to Dolan. "What I'm trying to do is make the money equal the talent. The problem is that the talent hasn't equaled the money, and what I'm trying to do is get players here who have talent and the money justifies the talent."

This is what scares me. How do Vin Baker and Mo Taylor fall into the catagory of getting your money's worth?

We are in better position because we have better players. That much is for sure, but we have no flexibility and our roster is packed, literally with guys that will be a VERY tough to move in any capacity.
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3/9/2005  7:26 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i can't believe i'm saying this but i would be HAPPY if tim and penny are on this team next year.

then you will be happy having the 11th pick again in the lottery or at best the 8th seed in the playoffs with another 1st round exit. especially since Boston is better.
it's a seven year plan (ny times)

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