Posted by misterearl:

No we're not. Just in a hole.

NYK - we're also leading at the half

Posted by Bonn1997:

I laugh at the contradiction some people have when they say they are patient enough to rebuild but they aren't patient enough to give Isiah more than two half seasons, but I do realize that you and Briggs and most other critics want the Knicks to win.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/08/2005 17:25:33]

Posted by MS:

The TT deal was terrible, and was compounded by the fact that it became another long term deal with the Rose move......

Posted by martin:

Posted by MS:

"I like the position that we're in today much better than I did 12 months ago," he said. "When I got here, there was no future, there was no hope," Thomas said. "Now we have a present and a future."


That is why Isiah has no clue, we have no present, and our future keeps getting pushed under the bus

And what stupid ****ing owner gives an unproven GM that failed everyplace he has gone a 7-year deal?

This is a pretty shortsighted post.

Ward, Eisley, Anderson, Spoon, KT, Deke, Othella, Sweets on IR, Houston, FWill, Lampe, Milos Rights, KHV.

Craw, Marbury, JYD, TT, Sweets, Ariza, Houston, KT, Mo, Penny, Rose, Extra first rounders, Sundov, Butler, Jackson.

I think just about 100% of people would want the second group.

Unproven GM? How about Toronto time? Isiah has a clue in the draft, and it's pretty well documented. Dude has proven he has what it takes to win a championship.... twice.

Now, granted, Dolan has proven that he is a dump as a block owner, but you are pretty much wrong in all the other things you have put forth. You expected Isiah to change the old/overpaid roster in 1 freakin year? What would your plan have been up to this point?

The Knicks' future is ham-strung by the Houston deal. It is what it is. You can't get around it. Until then, you upgrade talent up until that year... Isiah did push the bounds by acquiring Rose, but he did get a lot in return. 2 picks in a draft that is supposed to be filled with late talent and a guy who can bring playoff and winners championship experience is invaluable. That's how young guys learn to practice and play D and grow as a team. Intangibles man.

Unreal posting.

great post man especially the part about H20. People don't realize how hamstrung we are because of his $20million dollar contract per year which makes him like the 2nd highest player in the whole frickin league! Every move that is made where we have to take back a bad contract is made on the premise that it expires no later than 2008 unless Isiah is getting a player of the caliber of Marbury back.

"I like the position that we're in today much better than I did 12 months ago," he said. "When I got here, there was no future, there was no hope," Thomas said. "Now we have a present and a future."

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by martin:

Posted by MS:

"I like the position that we're in today much better than I did 12 months ago," he said. "When I got here, there was no future, there was no hope," Thomas said. "Now we have a present and a future."


That is why Isiah has no clue, we have no present, and our future keeps getting pushed under the bus

And what stupid ****ing owner gives an unproven GM that failed everyplace he has gone a 7-year deal?

This is a pretty shortsighted post.

Ward, Eisley, Anderson, Spoon, KT, Deke, Othella, Sweets on IR, Houston, FWill, Lampe, Milos Rights, KHV.

Craw, Marbury, JYD, TT, Sweets, Ariza, Houston, KT, Mo, Penny, Rose, Extra first rounders, Sundov, Butler, Jackson.

I think just about 100% of people would want the second group.

Unproven GM? How about Toronto time? Isiah has a clue in the draft, and it's pretty well documented. Dude has proven he has what it takes to win a championship.... twice.

Now, granted, Dolan has proven that he is a dump as a block owner, but you are pretty much wrong in all the other things you have put forth. You expected Isiah to change the old/overpaid roster in 1 freakin year? What would your plan have been up to this point?

The Knicks' future is ham-strung by the Houston deal. It is what it is. You can't get around it. Until then, you upgrade talent up until that year... Isiah did push the bounds by acquiring Rose, but he did get a lot in return. 2 picks in a draft that is supposed to be filled with late talent and a guy who can bring playoff and winners championship experience is invaluable. That's how young guys learn to practice and play D and grow as a team. Intangibles man.

Unreal posting.

great post man especially the part about H20. People don't realize how hamstrung we are because of his $20million dollar contract per year which makes him like the 2nd highest player in the whole frickin league! Every move that is made where we have to take back a bad contract is made on the premise that it expires no later than 2008 unless Isiah is getting a player of the caliber of Marbury back.

No later than 2008? Doesn't Houston's contract expire before then? Doesn't Rose's or Taylor's contract end after Houston's contract? Be a little consistent.