well, who says we wont buy an addtional pick either? Come end of season a lot of team's plans will change.

I think what KT does is very important to any team, and this management isnt going to give that up just for the sake of moving on.

getting rid of Nazr was addition by substraction. He's not even getting in the game right now in San Antonio after he almost cost them the game against the Cavs because of his atrocious defense.

Posted by MaTT4281:

I don't think Kurt is untradeable, but the trades he can be involved in are limited. We either have to get back a big in the trade, or a pick and come out of the draft with a couple Cs.

his contract won't look that bad next year with only 3 years left. So he is very tradeable and valuable to a team in the offseason or at the trading deadline with TT/Penny.

Posted by bigpimpin:

oh i'm sorry i for got to respond to your topic.

I don't see why you would wanna trade Kurt Thomas, it's not like he is going to bring back an All-Star and you won't get equal value for him so why trade him?

take a look at the roster and tell me what big man the Knicks have on this team that is better than Kurt. and please don't say Sweetney. please don't.

Kurt shouldn't be "untradeable" becuase the record sucks, everyone should be traded. but personally, I think the "kurt sucks, trade KT now, campaign's are somewhat ignorant

because he's too old and slow to be our starting PF and he's too short and can't block shots to be our center. We have a bunch of ok PFs we need a center and yes Sweetney has potential to have more impact on wins and losses because he plays in the post. If Kurt Thomas is so good then why haven't we been able to crack 40wins since since Ewing and JVG left?

But he is a great backup 4/5 on a good team

Isiah would be stupid not to move Kurt at the end of the season. One of the reason why we have been so bad at the frontcourt is because of Kurt. He is too short and too bad athletically, and as a result he is taking playing time away from guys that perhaps could be the answer to our problems. I guaranty you if this was another team, Sundove or that new kid JB would have been playing the Center position permanently. This Knicks team is so consumed by mediocrity, they are blind to see where the real problem resides. Yes, Kurt can shoot the jumper, but can he stop anyone? can he block shots? can he put fear in the opponents heart? can he jump? how many foul shots does he take per game? With all of the scorers that we have on our roster, we really don't need the points that Kurt provides. What we need is a guy that will do the things that we are truly missing: block shots, beat the zone, operate inside, shoot freethrows....

Guns, show me where i said that Kurt is "so good"....

I can't believe you had the audacity to say that how come we haven't broke the 40 win mark since Ewing and JVG left?

well, i don't think that basketball franchise's look at the guy who is making a relatively low salary as the one who they depend on to lead them to wins, and neither do you so why did you say it?

look, i understand the nature of the beast. There always has to be a scapegoat i understand. Ewing was a scapegoat, LJ, Sprewell, Allan Houston, Kurt and eventually Marbury so i understand that but what i don't understand is how do you feel trading Kurt is going to bring us an Amare or a Tim Duncan or even a Kwame Brown???? He is not. The guy is 10 and 10 all day. He is the same thing that Sweetney "will be". watch and see. Then what???

the Knicks have had ample oppurtunity to get a diminating inside presence since Kurt has been on the team, why do you think they haven't gotten one??? If Kurt died, the Knicks still wouldn't win 40 games with Sweetney and then you have absolutely noone to pencil in at center. And that says what?

if you are on the Sweetney is the future campaign then guess what Layden drafted him. Isiah signed Kurt to an extension

Isiah is signing perimeter players and more "Kurt Thomases"

Basically, this thing is bigger than Kurt Thomas

I didn't say you said KT was a good player.

This is what you don't understand that i think a lot of people here are hoping for.We don't need Sweetney to become a superstar who averaged 20 & 10. If he gives us 14pts inside and 9rebs. And plays big in the 4th quarter instead of depending on Kurt's contested 4th quarter bricked jumpshots. There will be more wins then losses instead of the other way around because we will be able to score inside and outside.

Sweetney already draws triple teams. Has Kurt ever drawn a double team?! Teams are scared of Sweetney and he's only getting started! The only problem is the coaching staff is not being consistent with their play calling.

They put too much faith in Marbury and Crawford in the 4th quarter to score all by themselves without getting other guys involved. So you wind up with brick after brick from steph, craw, TT, KT with 2 seconds left on the shot clock. Instead of working the ball into Sweetney and having him recognize the double and triple teams and then kicking it out to those guys for an open jumper.

Those are the little things that KT doesn't do that can have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

Sweetney and Kurt Thomas are both role players when you get through talking.

I understand what you and some here are hoping for but that's not logical.

Marbury and Crawford are not going to defer to Sweetney, let alone in the 4th quarter.

So Sweetney and Shaq are both drawing triple teams. lol

Think about what you are saying

I like the way you think dude, you are alright....

Posted by gunsnewing:

then what the heck do we have to look forward to then!

slowly but surely they are making Sweetney more of a focal point. They just have to stay with the same gsme plan for 48mins not go away from what was successful and let steph and craw hold the ball out on the perimeter instead.