New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.9 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.8 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (18.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.8 apg in 36.3 minutes)
1st round pick
New York receives: SG Larry Hughes (21.6 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.6 minutes)
PF Kwame Brown (5.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.2 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.9 ppg, -2.5 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

Washington trades: SG Larry Hughes (21.6 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.6 minutes)
PF Kwame Brown (5.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.2 minutes)
Washington receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.9 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.8 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (18.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.8 apg in 36.3 minutes)
1st round pick
Change in team outlook: +2.9 ppg, +2.5 rpg, and -0.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Marbury
Hughes
Ariza
Sweets
Kwame

I would absolutely love this trade....Gives Wash a direct scoring replacement for Huhes and upgrades their PF spot plus they get a pick.....I know this may be overpaying a little, but I think Hughes is a much better all around player than Craw (at this point). Hughes will be only 26 this year , while Craw will be 25. We get rid of KT's contract and get a potential starting center with Kwame, who is only 23 this year.

nice, but if you think the washington players are better, domn't you think ernie G might to?

I have to assume you mean the Spurs pick.
I'm not sure I'd see Washington doing this, and I'd need to take a closer look before I pull the trigger. I'm just not a big Kwame fan. If we could get him for cheap, I definately wouldn't object, but I wouldn't give up too much value for him.
I haven't seen much of Hughes. His stats look good from what I can tell, just need to actually watch him a few games before I can make an informed oppinion.
As it stand right now, I like the trade.

Posted by MaTT4281:

I have to assume you mean the Spurs pick.
I'm not sure I'd see Washington doing this, and I'd need to take a closer look before I pull the trigger. I'm just not a big Kwame fan. If we could get him for cheap, I definately wouldn't object, but I wouldn't give up too much value for him.
I haven't seen much of Hughes. His stats look good from what I can tell, just need to actually watch him a few games before I can make an informed oppinion.
As it stand right now, I like the trade.

Yes, I mean the Spurs pick.....sorry 'bout that....Hughes IMO would ne the perfect compliment to Marbury as was said on another thread in this forum.

Thing is I would verpay a little for a couple reasons. First we would have to entice Washington to do this trade and they would have to get more than a little something out of it. Second we get rid of KT. It leaves a whle at center (Maybe, if we don't use the pick we get in the lotto on a developed college center).It's obvious KT isn't happy here, he doesn't get along with Steph, he doesn't want to play center, which is arguably his best position....

Think of what we can do with a lineup of

Petro/Butler
Sweetney/Taylor/JYD
Ariza/Rose
Hughes/(Ariza?)
Marbury/Penny or (second round pick Gilchrist or Jack may slip....or even Nate Robinson)

This lineup still has the tradeable contracts of TT and Penny....the MLE and the LLE to be used....

[Edited by - joec32033 on 03/05/2005 23:21:44]

Posted by BRIGGS:

no one in this league is trading a 23 YO 6-11/ 7-0 260 PF for a 6-8 235 pD 33 YO PF, and on top of that you think they will take back the inferior SG, and you are throwing in pick 29 to make it work


OK go get it done! You have CVC permission to seek this trade and execute it!

and while you are at it, stop in pheonix and offer them Marbury and our lottery pick for amare back!

Briggs, take a pill....Kwame has hardly even played this season, KT would let Wash move Jamison to SF, not to mention KT is by far a better player right now and Kwame seems unable to fulfil his potential in Wash. Yes, right now Craw is not as good as Hughes, I admit that but they are not getting just Craw, but KT too.....

It is just something to look at, amigo, and you seem to be the only one so far who doesn't think it is a fair trade, which means either you are smarter than everyone that posted so far or there is always the outside chance that people see the pieces we are giving up as a little more important than you do.

I didn't realize he was a UFA. If Thomas makes a run at him I would be ecstatic, If he signs, I would be the first one with a NY Hughes Jersey in the Buffalo area (trend seem to run about 6 weeks behind here).

But to tell the truth we land Hughes, I see Craw being that Swingman off the bench and we have a Steph-Hughes-Craw rotation which is almost exactly what Zeke wants. I would then use our pick for a center (like Petro or Taft, wherever we land)....I would use KT, TT, and Penny as trade bait.or just let TT and Penny walk (although I tell you what, I wonder if we can ship Penny or TT to LA for Wilcox and bad contracts, although it seems LA doesn't have ANY bad contracts after this season......)

KT/Wilcox/Butler
Sweets/JYD
Ariza/Rose
Hughes/Craw
Marbury/Craw/(Gilchrist/Robinson/Jack???)

man, Isiah should slip something into Jerry Buss' drink to make this happen:

- sign Larry Hughes to full MLE
- trade Tim Thomas, Kurt Thomas, Mo Taylor & Jamal Crawford to Lakers for Lamar Odom, Chucky Atkins, Devean George, horrible contract (Brian Grant) & Lakers' lottery protected 1st rounder
- draft best shotblocker on the board in the 1st round & another SG w/the other pick

C - rookie C / Grant
PF - Sweetney / Rose / JYD
SF - Odom / Ariza / George
SG - Hughes / Penny
PG - Marbury / Atkins
IR - Houston / rookie SG

man, Odom & Marbury would be a perfect pick & roll combo, & Hughes will really help the perimeter D along w/Atkins, who can also shoot the ball from downtown...George can be a solid bench player if healthy...i think the Lakers would do well in this trade because they're upgrading at 3 positions while downgrading in only 1 w/Odom leaving...but they also unload Grant's horrible contract.

the trade works in Trade Checker:
L.A. Lakers trades: C Brian Grant (3.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 15.0 minutes)
PF Lamar Odom (15.6 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 36.5 minutes)
Devean George (No games yet played in 2004/05)
PG Chucky Atkins (13.8 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.4 apg in 36.5 minutes)
L.A. Lakers receives: SF Tim Thomas (11.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 26.9 minutes)
PF Maurice Taylor (7.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 22.9 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.9 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.8 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (18.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.8 apg in 36.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +15.7 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and +0.3 apg.

New York trades: SF Tim Thomas (11.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 26.9 minutes)
PF Maurice Taylor (7.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 22.9 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.9 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.8 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (18.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.8 apg in 36.3 minutes)
New York receives: C Brian Grant (3.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 15.0 minutes)
PF Lamar Odom (15.6 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 36.5 minutes)
Devean George (No games yet played in 2004/05)
PG Chucky Atkins (13.8 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.4 apg in 36.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -15.7 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[Edited by - TMS on 03/06/2005 00:23:54]

if Crawford was worth more than the MLE, why is it that you think Larry hughes isn't?

stop coughing! crawford for hughes is a joke. zards are not going to break up the best backcourt in the nba just to suck up a project in work with jamal crawford, why? brown is their project in work and zards are winning with arenas and hughes....not whinning! and if kwame gets traded it will be something much more than kt.

^^ tomorrow's competition looks like b.diddy + j.rich + d.fisher

i think Kwame is more realistic than Hughes...i don't think WAS will want to break up that duo of him & Arenas...unless of course Hughes' contract demands are just unreasonable.

KT & the Knicks' 1st rounder for Kwame.