This team needs 2 consitant outside shooters & 2 shotblockers.

Remove Penny & TT from the roster. And change KT & Taylor into shotblockers.

Posted by fishmike:

thems just the facts of life. We throw around some fair possibilities but its just going to take time. Adding guys like Mo Taylor dont help the process either but its water under the bridge. Bottom line is we have 2-3 years minimum of this type of core, ie MArbury and subpar frontcourt players.

water under the bridge? thats more like water in your basement! holy cow batman, wtf was this guy thinking we needed to trade our small ending contracts[which could have been used much differently and might have come in handy] and take on Mo taylor right now? AND give up a two and take on 12+mm million ? i mean couldnt this be something we couldve looked into along with other options in the summer, i mean maybe rahim wouldve been more worth the 10mm per?
i mean as an owner, would you ask why this MF is out of shape, in hOustons doghouse etc....? Im not saying the guys a bad player, but its this kind of deal that makes me believe Isiah will fail terribly here and continue to blame all the way through. hes the guy who said last years draft was terrible! we win in the SA trade ONLy if SA really slides next year, maybe duncan breaks his knee in game 1, but SA is so F smart they probably have massive protection for something like that! oh well, here to the 6-5 32 YO malik rose! CHEERS!

Posted by fishmike:

thems just the facts of life. We throw around some fair possibilities but its just going to take time. Adding guys like Mo Taylor dont help the process either but its water under the bridge. Bottom line is we have 2-3 years minimum of this type of core, ie MArbury and subpar frontcourt players.

We need to get very, very, very lucky in the draft.

The lottery gods must take pity on the Knick franchise and realise how badly its been run, and how capped out we are for years to come.

Please, send us two stars this summer- preferably one that can be measured 7 foot tall and who can play the center position.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

thems just the facts of life. We throw around some fair possibilities but its just going to take time. Adding guys like Mo Taylor dont help the process either but its water under the bridge. Bottom line is we have 2-3 years minimum of this type of core, ie MArbury and subpar frontcourt players.

water under the bridge? thats more like water in your basement! holy cow batman, wtf was this guy thinking we needed to trade our small ending contracts[which could have been used much differently and might have come in handy] and take on Mo taylor right now? AND give up a two and take on 12+mm million ? i mean couldnt this be something we couldve looked into along with other options in the summer, i mean maybe rahim wouldve been more worth the 10mm per?
i mean as an owner, would you ask why this MF is out of shape, in hOustons doghouse etc....? Im not saying the guys a bad player, but its this kind of deal that makes me believe Isiah will fail terribly here and continue to blame all the way through. hes the guy who said last years draft was terrible! we win in the SA trade ONLy if SA really slides next year, maybe duncan breaks his knee in game 1, but SA is so F smart they probably have massive protection for something like that! oh well, here to the 6-5 32 YO malik rose! CHEERS!

why does this come as a surprise?.....all the trades that were accomplished did not validate jack-ola....we are still losing!
seems to me ny is the new cap relief center of the nba

that's it, thats what we are. I was still trying to deduce what we are and you hit the head.

The New York Knicks are the
"cap relief center of the nBA" kind of like that ad with the family who wins the lottery and has a phone line that says 999-selltome' whatever it is we are buying.

the new york knicks will buy what you are selling. In a time when teams receive HUGE compensation for cap relief, for example the Utah Jazz were awarded 2 NUMBER 1 picks to take on Tom Gugliotta's contract last year which was only about 5mm.

Mo Taylor is OK. Mo Taylor IS a 10MM @ year player who was put on the IR for a month even though he was fine. Do you think eventually those problems will come to pass here? just maybe!

but lets get back to the point. we took OFF 12.5MM of future cap off of houston and GAVE them a 2nd round pick, which could be 32-33 for all we know--? right, but lets get back to the point. WE shouldve forced their hands for 2 picks, not the frikin other way around!
They mustve been laughing their blls off after this deal was done.


does ANYONE and I mean ANYONE notice that we take players for HEFTY prices that no one else wants??????

It's not an excuse to say I was dealt this hand, I can't do this in NY, I had a 80 mm $ mess.


Guess what isiah, truly, in a year and a half you made the problems worse! We have NO style of play, we still have 5-6 undersized PF-you tout that we have assets we didnt have before and I say"what"!

Portland paid NJ 3mm for the 23 pick in the draft. We essentially paid SA 15mm for two picks that are likely much higher. Picks that most teams dont want. how come we couldnt just stand pat and offer a team 3mm$ for a pick? did we really need malik rose all 6-5 of his at 32 years old?

After all this wheeling and dealing, and roster transformation

can any astutue basketball fan tell me what our style of play is? Are we a post shot blocking/secondary fast brek team? Are we an up-tempo team? Are we ahalf court grinding team that relies on rebounding and defense?

thats one reason why we sck, we have NO identity. we win some games because we have spent so much money that we half a competitive advantage on some teams. Guys like Penny TT etc.. are going to have some good nights

but the facts are we traded for players who--almost ALL are proven inconsistent. Marbury is the one guy who plays prety consistent ball, but the problem with Marbury is that he stagnates the offense and only plays D for 30 games.


we are a poorly constructed medicore team with worse cap problems than we have ever had. Layden made some dumb moves, but isiah IMHO, has been given a credit card a nd he also doesnt know WTF do do with it, although one thing is for sure the dude will use it at every team that winks at him!


This draft has to be executed perfectly, and this inane reach to make the plyoffs is likely to cost us3-4 HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE spaces of leverage in the draft.

I dont consider pick 11 a lottery pick. I consider that one MF dumb team!

but the big question is if the knicks go 4-0 on this upcoming homestand against quality teams, are we still 3 years away?

Wow. I didn't watch Friday night but I've never seen such a one-game reversal of opinion or mood before. Were they so hopeless that it just defied any optimism whatsoever? Is there any chance that they'll return to establishing the lowpost and use this as a one-game wakeup call? I'm not trying to downplay our problems, I'm just surprised that the entire mood got so downcast about the whole futuure of the franchise after one game.

yeah its just that they are really running out of time if they are trying to make the playoffs. You can't lose to teams like Orlando & golden state if you're going to make it. You have to play pretty close to perfect basketball. Losing to the heat, spurs, suns, dallas, pistons is expected but you gotta be the rest. And that Orlando game showed me that they won't make the playoffs. They may play .500 ball but they are still in a huge hole.

By the way, what is Jermaine O'neal's status? Is he going to be gone for a while or is he ok? Our only shot will be passing Indiana for the 8th seed. But we can't keep losing to the Orlandos and golden states and even the bobcats of the league!

Posted by BRIGGS:

water under the bridge? thats more like water in your basement! holy cow batman, wtf was this guy thinking we needed to trade our small ending contracts[which could have been used much differently and might have come in handy] and take on Mo taylor right now? AND give up a two and take on 12+mm million ? i mean couldnt this be something we couldve looked into along with other options in the summer, i mean maybe rahim wouldve been more worth the 10mm per?
i mean as an owner, would you ask why this MF is out of shape, in hOustons doghouse etc....? Im not saying the guys a bad player, but its this kind of deal that makes me believe Isiah will fail terribly here and continue to blame all the way through. hes the guy who said last years draft was terrible! we win in the SA trade ONLy if SA really slides next year, maybe duncan breaks his knee in game 1, but SA is so F smart they probably have massive protection for something like that! oh well, here to the 6-5 32 YO malik rose! CHEERS!

hey.. I'm with you. Its not worth getting into unless your interesting in a 7 page discussion on why Mo Taylor's expiring contract in 2 years is a good thing to have. Kind of like herpes is a good thing to have because in 2 years there will be a cure.