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BRIGGS
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3/5/2005  10:58 AM
We are 7.5 games behind the celtics with with 24 games to go. In other words

if Boston goies 12-12
we need to go
20-4

thats right folks, that math is there for you to see


1st place is done

as for the 8th seed

we are 5 games behind Indiana 4 games behind Philly

if we assume a .500 record for both teams[which is reasonable]

12-12


the knicks need to go
18-6

it's over, it's to bad we won that game against LA, although we did indeed deserve to win

we should rest marbury more down the stretch 30 minute max
and anyone who has even a small nagging injury should have their time cut. Sundov Ariza, even Butler and Jackson should get some play.

We had a nice strangehold on position 6 in the draft, and possibly position 5, but we decided to spend 35mm$ dollars for a couple of booster games


I'll ask this question again, tell me, why, why did we trade for mo taylor? what was the necessity to do so right now? couldbnt we have waited? couldnt we have spent our money on a 7 footer????? even if its a steven hunter or a jerome james, couldnt we spend the money there?


has anyone noticed what is happening at cablevision? do you know chalres dolan is trying to ouster Jim? you know what that might mean--STRICT $ constraints, thats is why im upset about this mo taylor idiocy. If he was the diffence in our team making a playofff run, cool BUT HES NOT!!!!!!!
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Bonn1997
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3/5/2005  11:02 AM
I agree with all that, except I'm not that upset about the Mo Taylor deal. I think it was a *slightly* bad deal. (We got the best player in the deal but took on an extra season in a contract.) I agree completely about not making the playoffs and about the need to rest Marbury.
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3/5/2005  11:30 AM
I don't really understand the Mo Taylor trade either. I thought it would be for a playoff push but I am not seeing that even during that 3 win streak. Boston has improved and is bound to win the Atlantic division if Philly doesn't catch up. There has been lots of draft talk lately and rightly so. I dreamed last nite we won the 3rd overall lottery pick.
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3/5/2005  11:44 AM
Yea I think we can now officially say that we aren't going to the playoffs. Of course though, Marbury won't be rested until we are mathematically out of the playoff picture (which unfortunately is the truth). I agree though that we should play the young guys and rest Marbury.
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3/5/2005  11:54 AM
I hate this team because everithing is so inconsistent with them, even us fans. They have a 3 game winning streak and even the people that wanted the Knicks to get a top draft pick stayed quiet because we could have been starting a playoff push. It looked nice to see this team playing better and possibly landing in the playoffs again, whatever with what happened later. But after this loss and what the Knicks had to say, you just want to trade everyone, get the first 12 picks in the next draft and get a new team. If we are indeed going to the playoffs, play like a team for God's sake. If we are lottery bound, at least lose the rest of your games and get a top pick! Im tired of NY being mediocre in everything, too bad to make the playoffs bur not that bad to have a top pick.

Im tired of this team, this management, this franchise! Yet im their fan...
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3/5/2005  11:57 AM
And please explain why we dealt for Mo Taylor?!?!? I can't believe that deal! Is Isiah blind? I understand the other deal, but this one... Terrible contract and you could say he's a bust, so... why?!? Why Isiah? GRRRRRRRR
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3/5/2005  12:33 PM
LOL, I don't give a damn how Zeke spends Dolan's money. Mo Taylor is not the reason why the knicks are bad or can't get better. Baker and Moochie were waste of space here. Taylor contract could be brought out by the end of next season. Dolan likes to spend money. Hell, the man is spending nearly $100 million just to keep the Jets from building a Westside stadium. What i do care about is getting a athletic PF/C in this draft, as a matter of fact, I will take 2. And what happen to the Knicks strength trainer. These guys are bloated, everyone is pudgy. Me thinks everyone is getting the Mike Sweetney disease.
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3/5/2005  12:35 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree with all that, except I'm not that upset about the Mo Taylor deal. I think it was a *slightly* bad deal. (We got the best player in the deal but took on an extra season in a contract.) I agree completely about not making the playoffs and about the need to rest Marbury.

I think you are drinking a lil too much kool aid with the Mo Taylor trade. It's comparable to the Spree for KVH trade. It's just a really bad overall trade. It gets us nowhere. It creates more of a logjam at PF, and the players at that position aren't even wonderful. Every player at our PF position is rock solid (Not mediocre like you say) but not the athletic types we need. We needed to draft a Warrick this Summer, but now we can't. And if you are saying "He's a trade asset." Who the heck is he gonna net if Taylor doesn't play defense and is making 8 mm a year. It's a TERRIBLE trade no matter how you look at it. Now, we can't be chanting "Fire Isiah!" but more moves like this, and it just may happen. Let the contracts burn FOR ONCE. Please. I know we don't do it, but please give it a friggin' try. The value of them is overrated greatly. They only net the outcasts like CRAWFORD. Now Chicago is in a much better position than us, as is Phoenix, as is San Antonio, as is Houston. Why don't we try taking their positions for once.

Again, as much as I love Sweetney, we may very well have to trade him.
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3/5/2005  1:01 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree with all that, except I'm not that upset about the Mo Taylor deal. I think it was a *slightly* bad deal. (We got the best player in the deal but took on an extra season in a contract.) I agree completely about not making the playoffs and about the need to rest Marbury.

I think you are drinking a lil too much kool aid with the Mo Taylor trade. It's comparable to the Spree for KVH trade. It's just a really bad overall trade. It gets us nowhere. It creates more of a logjam at PF, and the players at that position aren't even wonderful. Every player at our PF position is rock solid (Not mediocre like you say) but not the athletic types we need. We needed to draft a Warrick this Summer, but now we can't. And if you are saying "He's a trade asset." Who the heck is he gonna net if Taylor doesn't play defense and is making 8 mm a year. It's a TERRIBLE trade no matter how you look at it. Now, we can't be chanting "Fire Isiah!" but more moves like this, and it just may happen. Let the contracts burn FOR ONCE. Please. I know we don't do it, but please give it a friggin' try. The value of them is overrated greatly. They only net the outcasts like CRAWFORD. Now Chicago is in a much better position than us, as is Phoenix, as is San Antonio, as is Houston. Why don't we try taking their positions for once.

Again, as much as I love Sweetney, we may very well have to trade him.

Can't disagree at all! Good post!
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3/5/2005  1:39 PM
I disagree on the strength, that M. Taylor is much more usefull then norris, and baker, who IMO ( baker) is the most dissapointing this season. The guy looked Punch drunk when he was in the game, and practice's from what i read.

Since I haven't been in NY for a few months, i get to listen to a lot of the home teams commontators, and i'm not sure what, or who orlando's play by play guy's are. But they made a lot of sense when speaking on trades know a days in the NBA. It's no longer talant for talant, It's more about cap, and contracts, thats why every other trade looks lopsided. Teams don't really improve, ( especially during the season). A lot of the players get so complacent once they recieve that big contract.

One of the best trades the knicks every made ( in my era) was LJ for Anthony mason. Mason was on his way up, while larry was an effective player in his prime. Both had ther share of baggage ( larry's back, masons attitude and of court drama). But it was a balance trade.

IMO phili doesn't win a whole lot more game's with a gimpy webber, and boston dosn't win much more with a defensive liabilty, and ill advise shot taker in Walker, They will still be mediocre for the next few years anyway. both coaches are as mediore as there teams, and won't get anything extra out of any of there players.

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3/5/2005  1:51 PM
Good post, Briggs

but i hope noone had any real hopes of the knicks making the playoffs.

This team won't even finish at or above .500 which is disgusting considering how much talent they have on this team

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3/6/2005  4:43 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

LOL, I don't give a damn how Zeke spends Dolan's money. Mo Taylor is not the reason why the knicks are bad or can't get better.
Exactly; I'm not crazy about the trade but it's also a very minor trade involving players who don't really impact the team. It's nothing like trading our 2nd best player for another important starter (Spree/KVH). That trade actually did impact the team.
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3/6/2005  5:04 PM
Once we fell about 6 games back with less than 40 games to go it seemed pretty apparent that we weren't going to be able make it. I think it's pretty apparent that this team is not capable of playing lights out ball over a long stretch (like winning 75% of the next 25 games).

I agree that the Mo Taylor trade made no sense, but we've gone round and around about that on this board. But the trade was made not to get picks, but to get a player with a longer term deal. That either means a) you think he can help us make playoffs or b) he was acquired as part of some other plan or deal that was to be made at the deadline but didn't shake out, or C) acquired b/c you have something in the works for the near future. I hope its option C. Forget about the ending contract argument. Moochie and Vin's ending contracts would have given us more flexibility because you could use them to add 3 to 4 million in salary to match up a deal or put them together. The value or skill level of the player means nothing in the ending contract trades.

[Edited by - VDesai on 03/06/2005 17:05:30]
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