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diderotn
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3/4/2005  10:51 AM
As I was watching the Denver's game last night, I noticed something that Boykins and Miller were doing that I believe Marb and Crawf should emulate...That same chemistry exist also between Hughes and Arenas, and as a result they are by far the best defensive back court in the game today. As the opposing PG bring the ball upcourt, both guards sworm him and make it very difficult for him to distribute, as a result they force him to commit a lot of TOs. Marb is fast enough and Crawf is long enough to do that. Herb should definitely implement that in our guards, especially because we really don't have a big frontcourt.

Jordan and George Karl have done it and they are very successful. Marb and Crawf should pickup their men from the back court and create as many TOs as possible.
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3/4/2005  11:06 AM
The Holy One has spoken...Hughes & Arenas are "by far" the best defensive backcourt in the NBA! so let it be written, so let it be done.
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3/4/2005  11:14 AM
It’s a good idea, but you need the right kind of personnel to pull it off with any kind of success. Marb and Craw are definitely fast enough, but they both log lots of minutes. If the Knicks had a quality 3-guard rotation and cut the 2 starter minutes to say 30-35 minutes a game, it could be done.

But... you also need fast big men and a shot-blocking presence as your anchor. Hakeem, DRob, even Ewing might have been a good savior at the net, but Sweets, KT, TT? Nah: sivs in the open court D.

And that's why it wouldn't work.
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3/4/2005  11:29 AM
But it is worth it to try. Especially in the second half of games. I understand what you are saying as far as fatigue and so on, but in the second half, for the Knicks to win games, the guards have to establish themselves defensively.....Especially when JYD or Malik is on the court...

Posted by martin:

It’s a good idea, but you need the right kind of personnel to pull it off with any kind of success. Marb and Craw are definitely fast enough, but they both log lots of minutes. If the Knicks had a quality 3-guard rotation and cut the 2 starter minutes to say 30-35 minutes a game, it could be done.

But... you also need fast big men and a shot-blocking presence as your anchor. Hakeem, DRob, even Ewing might have been a good savior at the net, but Sweets, KT, TT? Nah: sivs in the open court D.

And that's why it wouldn't work.
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3/4/2005  11:32 AM
If not, who is better? As far as steals and keeping the opposing PGs and SGs at bay....

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The Holy One has spoken...Hughes & Arenas are "by far" the best defensive backcourt in the NBA! so let it be written, so let it be done.
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3/4/2005  11:50 AM
Posted by diderotn:

If not, who is better? As far as steals and keeping the opposing PGs and SGs at bay....

Posted by TMS:

The Holy One has spoken...Hughes & Arenas are "by far" the best defensive backcourt in the NBA! so let it be written, so let it be done.

i would rank Billups & Hamilton right up there w/them in terms of defensive ability...also Kidd & Carter aren't all clearly worse than they are either...you can also make an argument for Wade & Jones, who are excellent defenders in their own right (yeah, Eddie Jones plays SF as a starter but he often draws the tough assignments on the perimeter)...Pierce & Ricky Davis too (similar situation as MIA where Davis will draw the tough assignment on the perimeter on D)...& let's not forget about a guy by the name of Kobe & his backcourt mate, Chucky Atkins...Kobe alone makes that pair worthy of top consideration...Iverson & Iguodala aren't bad either.

[Edited by - TMS on 03/04/2005 11:54:00]
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3/4/2005  11:55 AM
None of the combos that you have mentioned are better than Arenas and Hughes right now....They may be better in other things, but not when it comes to defense.....Any how, I was just trying to point out a system that could help my beloved Knicks' back court, and I still think that Crawf and Marb should copy their stiles..

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Posted by diderotn:

If not, who is better? As far as steals and keeping the opposing PGs and SGs at bay....

Posted by TMS:

The Holy One has spoken...Hughes & Arenas are "by far" the best defensive backcourt in the NBA! so let it be written, so let it be done.

i would rank Billups & Hamilton right up there w/them in terms of defensive ability...also Kidd & Carter aren't all clearly worse than they are either...you can also make an argument for Wade & Jones, who are excellent defenders in their own right (yeah, Eddie Jones plays SF as a starter but he often draws the tough assignments on the perimeter)...Pierce & Ricky Davis too (similar situation as MIA where Davis will draw the tough assignment on the perimeter on D)

[Edited by - TMS on 03/04/2005 11:51:44]
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3/4/2005  12:12 PM
OK Holy One.
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3/4/2005  12:38 PM
Posted by diderotn:

As the opposing PG bring the ball upcourt, both guards sworm him and make it very difficult for him to distribute, as a result they force him to commit a lot of TOs.

It's called a half-court trap and it doesn't only depend on the guards. As it was said earlier: the 3 guys that are left to defend 4 offensive players are also responsible for holding up their end of the deal on defense as well. Since we don't have a shot blocker on the team, chances are we'd get burned more than we'd succeed by using the trap.
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3/4/2005  1:37 PM
Posted by martin:

It’s a good idea, but you need the right kind of personnel to pull it off with any kind of success. Marb and Craw are definitely fast enough, but they both log lots of minutes. If the Knicks had a quality 3-guard rotation and cut the 2 starter minutes to say 30-35 minutes a game, it could be done.

But... you also need fast big men and a shot-blocking presence as your anchor. Hakeem, DRob, even Ewing might have been a good savior at the net, but Sweets, KT, TT? Nah: sivs in the open court D.

And that's why it wouldn't work.

totally agree! which is why i want a center and a big 6'6'' guard who can play defense from this draft or get them through trades. Good Thread Diderotn! We are fine with the TT/Ariza platoon for half a year if we address the center and defensive SG issue.
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3/4/2005  1:40 PM
Posted by TMS:

OK Holy One.
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3/4/2005  1:42 PM
Executing the half court trap has nothing to do with having a shot blocker in the front court. In my opinion, it is all about team defense. If the players are in sync with one another, it will work. It is all about gap defense, the PG is the main ball handler, if you terrorize him in the back court, he will be forced to commit a bad pass and most of all he has less than 10 seconds to advance the ball.

Using such system is beneficial in many ways: one, it forces TOs; 2, it burns time; and 3, it creates court cohesion between players....For a team that is not known for defense, or better yet, when you know that your guards are really defenders, that is the way to help them out. It is like hyenas Vs lions or tigers, they know that they are smaller so they rush the lions or tigers in bunches to create distraction.
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3/4/2005  3:11 PM
Posted by TMS:

OK Holy One.

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3/4/2005  3:30 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by diderotn:

If not, who is better? As far as steals and keeping the opposing PGs and SGs at bay....

Posted by TMS:

The Holy One has spoken...Hughes & Arenas are "by far" the best defensive backcourt in the NBA! so let it be written, so let it be done.

i would rank Billups & Hamilton right up there w/them in terms of defensive ability...also Kidd & Carter aren't all clearly worse than they are either...you can also make an argument for Wade & Jones, who are excellent defenders in their own right (yeah, Eddie Jones plays SF as a starter but he often draws the tough assignments on the perimeter)...Pierce & Ricky Davis too (similar situation as MIA where Davis will draw the tough assignment on the perimeter on D)...& let's not forget about a guy by the name of Kobe & his backcourt mate, Chucky Atkins...Kobe alone makes that pair worthy of top consideration...Iverson & Iguodala aren't bad either.
Also have to add in my personal favorite backcourt: Parker and Ginobili.
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3/4/2005  5:43 PM
If we are going to keep Crawford and not deal him in the offseason, I think we need another good guard also to help offset Marbury and Crawford's defensive deficiencies. Someone like Bobby Jackson, who is available at year's end. Or Eric Snow, who is not, but could be traded for since Cleveland doesn't want him. Just food for thought. So get a buffet plate. (Old Diggable Planets).
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3/4/2005  6:26 PM
Bobby Jackson, yes. But no, to Eric Snow...
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3/4/2005  7:32 PM
Bobby Jackson will give us 35 solid games per season
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3/5/2005  12:31 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

If we are going to keep Crawford and not deal him in the offseason, I think we need another good guard also to help offset Marbury and Crawford's defensive deficiencies. Someone like Bobby Jackson, who is available at year's end. Or Eric Snow, who is not, but could be traded for since Cleveland doesn't want him. Just food for thought. So get a buffet plate. (Old Diggable Planets).

exactly! except we need a big SG not another small one who will get light up by Kobe
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