I don't know much about Gomez, but Graham's skill set seems alot like Simien...I don't watch alot of college ball, so I have heard Simien's name but that's all it was to me, a name, not big or small....

If Simien can't be modified to play the 3 (Simien is listed at 6-8, 255, while Graham was 6-7, 225)...both are physical hardnosed players and it seems Graham is a better fit since he is a natuaral 3 and is more along the lines of Artest than Simien may be....IDK...if Simien is a better fit at the 4 maybe Graham is a much better option.

From reading it, it said that Graham was a power 3.....then waht about Ariza? A Steph-Craw-Ariza, 3 guard lineup?

Steph-Craw-Trev
Trev-Graham-JYD
Sweetney-Rose
Butler-Petro?

I still think KT, TT and Penny are traded at some point next year, which is why I made the lineup the way I did...

I may be able to live with that

Posted by joec32033:

Can we trade the (assuming we get) the 6 pick down to someone (IDK who will have multiple first round picks) for later lotto picks (around 11 or 12) and a later pick (something like 20) netting us 3 first round picks ?

BTW, My list goes like this...

Taft
Simien
Villanueva
Petro
Gilchrist

I would love to pop off a draft of Simien (who I think is eerily similiar to Artest minus the attitude and I think he can play at the SF spot), Petro or Taft (he seems to be dropping), and Gilchrist or Jarrett Jack.

My only problem is....when does it reach a point of having too much youth?

IE
Butler
Ariza
Craw
Simien
Petro
Gilchrist
Whoever we get in the second round...

This is like 7 roster spots and alot of doubling up on positions (Ariza-Simien, Petro-Butler)...

I think we can all throw out names, and there are some real good players. Pf's might not make any sense for us anymore, but we will actually have to find out who is in the draft and where we pick.

I'll be happy with two executed picks that make sense. that could be two high school players or it could be a combination of many things. It will be a real good draft. I think some of these foreign names you hear will be downgraded or will just not be available. The only foreign player that I really believe will be an impact player is a PG who may just be a lottery pick in this draft named Sergio Rodriguez, but he may not be in for 2 more years.
Everything else that I can see are projects or role players. We don't want a project from a high pick. How many "foreign" big men have panned out so far? A few and they are real real good, but there are plenty more busts. That why I say a guy like Diaz. He's proven, he's the best athlete in the draft and he's tough. Even Taft is much more a project pick that a sure fire prospect. I like it when I see a guy dominate a certain level. If a guy can dominate a certain level of his peers, there is a good chance that it will continue on up. Of course there are intngibles to that, like accessing how a players game will translate fom level 2-to level 1. usually the players with the superior athletiscm fair well if they have a high skill level.
we can't afford mistakes, we dont need another Fredrick weis, it wrecks your team. To me, France, the way the people act over there, it just doesnt relate to the toughness of the US athlete. there are always exceptions, but i dont want to play against the odds. there are some real nice hS prospects and even some under the radar CBB players who may come out, that could sneak WAY up into the draft, guys like DJ White, Nick Fazekas, Rudy Gay, Daniel Gibson, Diaz, Adam Morrsion, Von Wafer among others could turn the draft on it's head because of this age limit thing. Have to wait and see who come s out. Im very much inclined, however to stay very clear of foreign players, unless they have proven it here.

To me, France, the way the people act over there, it just doesnt relate to the toughness of the US athlete. there are always exceptions, but i dont want to play against the odds.

Are you saying the French are wimps??........Sach le Bleur....or however you spell it and whatever it means...LOL!!!

Posted by fishmike:

who says Ariza is a starter? I'm looking for someone better then him at the 3 in this draft.

With Baron Davis, Fischer and Jason Richardson I also think Pietrus is expendable in GS. I would love to add him... say TT+cash+ the #1s from the Rose trade for Foyal and Pietrus. I think thats a solid deal for both teams. They move Foyal and TT's deal expires. They could then move Dunleavy if they wanted too. Still draft Graham and you have Marbury, Crawford, Ariza, Graham and Pietrus at the 1/2/3 with lots of BIG bodies to rotate up front.

I like that very realistic scenario for next year... your roster looks like this:
Marbury/Crawford
Pietrus/Ariza
TT/Graham
Sweetney/JYD/Rose
Foyal/KT/Taylor
IR: Houston, Butler
buyout Penny (or IR) and keep TT around for a steal at the deadline. Otherwise just let those two come off the books

I wouldn't take Foyal, better off picking in the draft, Pietrus is ok but so far has not live up to the hype of MJ, Kobe like. I think Ariza should be a starting a the 3 because he fits Marbury and Crawford style more. TT is good in small bunches, I would like to see him resume his sixth man status, where I believe he has his most success. Penny should be traded in the off season, I think his attitude will only get worst. Drafting a athletic center should be the main goal in the draft.

Posted by MS:

Our draft is going to be a problem since Zeke is a ****ing jackass

Sweetney, Williams, Rose, Taylor, Thomas

All under contract all at the same positions

Yeah, it's such a problem to have four picks over the next 2 years. I could see Isiah having all 30 first round picks but MS calling him a "****ing jackass" just because Mo Taylor is on our bench!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/02/2005 16:46:55]

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by MS:

Our draft is going to be a problem since Zeke is a ****ing jackass

Sweetney, Williams, Rose, Taylor, Thomas

All under contract all at the same positions

Yeah, it's such a problem to have four picks over the next 2 years. I could see Isiah having all 30 first round picks but MS calling him a "****ing jackass" just because Mo Taylor is on our bench!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/02/2005 16:46:55]

that's what happens when you are a season ticket holder. MS is angry man, always angry.

I'll have to take your word for it. If it causes that much anger, maybe being a season ticket holder isn't worth it?

Briggs, don't you think that drafting Diaz wouldn't make sense if you have Marbury and Crawford here? I understand the need for a backup combo guard. But drafting one in the lottery would be just as crazy as drafting Warrick. I think you can pick up a more defensive minded combo guard like on the open market.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Briggs, don't you think that drafting Diaz wouldn't make sense if you have Marbury and Crawford here? I understand the need for a backup combo guard. But drafting one in the lottery would be just as crazy as drafting Warrick. I think you can pick up a more defensive minded combo guard like on the open market.

well, if you consider the Pistons won 2 championships and shouldve won 4 with two 6-2 and one 6-0 guard, then its not the biggest deal, the most important thing is finding players with toughness and talent, and this kid is special. hey how many guards in the ACC average 24 points shooting 48% in the league at 19? I mean Crawford is 6-5

If we had
6-2 marbury
6-2 Diaz
6-5 Crawford
6-7 hardaway

thats not small. whatvere it is, it is. I just havent seen a better combo G.