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BRIGGS
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3/1/2005  11:18 AM
a lot of Bulls under the hoop, a lot of beef. thats one thing most clubs dont have, and we sure have a good amount and its important. Hopefully Butler stays a part of this team and pans out real well, we have a lot of bodies to throw out there. one thing that we just improved on is the indimidating factor
we just added

6-9 260[probably 280-290]
6-10 260
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I dont know where this is going to go this year. the east is so much improved, but there is now some hope for next year. I like the position we are in right now, we've improved. I am not expecting TT to continue to play like Bernard King, but hopefully with all of the Bulls he is playing with, he can settle into shooting 46-47% with 15- 16 points.

This will be a good time for a nice evaluation down the stretch. We have played well, but we have also caught teams on the B-Bs @ home+ Philly was short. Even though we almost blew the game last night, it's the content of the play that is encouraging.

I think that we can take away a few things. 1 its good to have guys who can score at almost every position, in combination with some real tough beef. That kind of what Seattle has done this year with fortson, evans Collison, James and then they have their skill players.

I think that if we can bank on an explosive draft--a draft where we can bring in some serious athletiscm in the backcourt and possibly 1 7 foot skill player, some how we can add 3 solid young studs for the back end of our depth and future ---even if we use our pick from SA next year to come into this draft because next years draft will fall back considerably, add a vet PG like Brevin Knight, we could be very exciting.

Were better now, so as a realist, Im nto going to sit here and think we are going to be in draft position 6 in the lottery, but at the same time, it will be MORE than difficult to make the playoffs, VERY VERY difficult because quite simply,we are 6 games behind the Celtics who have improved--they are not going to gaff, we are NOT going to over take the Celtics, the only back door into the playoffs is the 8th seed. If you look at the real possibility that Indiana will ahev artest back, multiple teams will have to have collasol fallouts and we will ahev to have a mimia heat type finish from last year. Im going to say we are not ready for that yet, but im encouraged.

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3/1/2005  11:26 AM
look at TT's last 4 games. They've been really good. I don't think he's had this good a stretch ever. I believe we're only 4.5 games back of the celtics. Our frontline is better but as long as Kurt Thomas is your starting center you will not win a championship. We need a real center. We gave up 115pts last night. We need blocks, We have plenty of low post scoring now but we still desperately need a center.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/01/2005 11:31:33]
djsunyc
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3/1/2005  11:26 AM
this my friend is a complete 180 from your posts as recent as one week ago. has the 3 game winning streak changed your opinion of this team being a complete MESS?

there's A LONG way to go. we'll see what happens draft night, whether we keep those picks or not. i think the only way we can look at it is being optimistic with ALOT of caution.
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3/1/2005  11:31 AM
Anyone think that IT made the Mo T trade to add a post player and to create spots on the roster for other players?
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3/1/2005  11:31 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

this my friend is a complete 180 from your posts as recent as one week ago.
I noticed that too. Anyone's allowed to change their views. I was just a bit surprised.
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3/1/2005  11:33 AM
Posted by martin:

Anyone think that IT made the Mo T trade to add a post player and to create spots on the roster for other players?

i think he made the Mo T trade because Vin & Moochie were doing squat on the Knicks' bench & Mo T is a guy who can score in the post, something this team needed more of...plus it gives him more to work with in terms of talent in the offseason to work a deal with & makes KT all the more expendable if he chooses to go that route.
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3/1/2005  11:34 AM
this team is starting to take on a seattle/detroit 1990's mold where the big guys are just there to board and take up space down low while the perimeter guys do the scoring.
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3/1/2005  11:43 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

this my friend is a complete 180 from your posts as recent as one week ago. has the 3 game winning streak changed your opinion of this team being a complete MESS?

there's A LONG way to go. we'll see what happens draft night, whether we keep those picks or not. i think the only way we can look at it is being optimistic with ALOT of caution.


the team has changed quite a bit and is in position to change even more. I mean read my post, I think we have little to no chance that we make the playoffs- i know we played teams that were on the B-B and or short, i know that TT and mS arent going to be putting up monster numbers like that every night.

I still have no change. I still hope we get the best draft position that we can. I pray that we get lucky and get Bogut and if not concnetrate on a draft that will bring in a real solid enthusiasm--very much like what Chicago did.

I mean, if we throw out the money issue, and i think that shwy many of us did not like the mo taylor trade--isiah did change the complexity of the team quite a biyt by adding two drfat picks and three HUGe players to the frontline.
i said we needed a drastic change to the complexity fo the team and I think we have seen a big part of that right here. This is a process, Im not annointing us anything, other than I feel we can have a Seattle like turn around next year--the foundation is there. the three wins mean nothing to me, but the content within the game is important.
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3/1/2005  11:46 AM
apologize for the typos all the time, im basically workin it with one hand here unfortunately
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3/1/2005  11:50 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

apologize for the typos all the time, im basically workin it with one hand here unfortunately

i don't even want to know what you're doing with the other one...

we added a defensive player. that has helped already. if that mo taylor deal was a ruben patterson deal, i would've been doing cartwheels but it wasn't. but like you said, we need to USE these picks and KEEP them. i don't want them shipped out. so right now, we have 3 (2 #1's and a #2). i would LOVE to buy another late 1st rounder b/c this draft will be DEEP.
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3/1/2005  12:01 PM
regarding Mo, he's still out of shape right now...i've seen him have some very good games against the Knicks in the past & totally outplaying Kurt Thomas on the floor...he has talent, there's no doubt in my mind...in the meantime, i think he will be a good pickup to fill the scoring load off the bench when needed...his ability to shoot from the perimeter will help stretch the defense & he can work well w/Sweetney down low...he can also score down low in the post too so you can pair him up w/KT or TT equally as effectively...basically, Herb has more options available to him, which is why i think Isiah made the trade to begin with...Vin & Moochie weren't giving him much of anything anyway.
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3/1/2005  12:05 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

apologize for the typos all the time, im basically workin it with one hand here unfortunately

i don't even want to know what you're doing with the other one...

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3/1/2005  12:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

this team is starting to take on a seattle/detroit 1990's mold where the big guys are just there to board and take up space down low while the perimeter guys do the scoring.

don't forget the Detroit teams always had a dynamite low post scorer too - Dantley or Aguirre.
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3/1/2005  12:10 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:

this team is starting to take on a seattle/detroit 1990's mold where the big guys are just there to board and take up space down low while the perimeter guys do the scoring.

don't forget the Detroit teams always had a dynamite low post scorer too - Dantley or Aguirre.

hmmm I can see Sweetney and Mo being own version of Dantley and Aguirre But i think Sweetney has a lot more upside then all those guys.
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3/1/2005  12:28 PM
guys.. I think the dudes got MS, I know nobody meant any offense by the jokes.

Briggs you used the Seattle example and thats one I have been thinking alot about.

This is a situation where coaching can have a real impact, because we have a lot of big tough bodies. Alot of guys arent going to get flashy numbers but that depth can definatly impact the game.

Another thing I am very excited about is the guard play. Last night Crawford and Marbury didnt shoot the ball well but combined for 17 assists and 4 TOs. They had 21 assists to 4 TOs against Phili. They really set up the bigs nicely and push the ball well also.

I'm with you... no titles yet but if we could draft a really athletic wing guy and add a 7 footer with some skill we would be well on our way.

Crawford's been VERY solid at the backup PG last couple of games.
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3/1/2005  12:43 PM
Posted by fishmike:

This is a situation where coaching can have a real impact, because we have a lot of big tough bodies. Alot of guys arent going to get flashy numbers but that depth can definatly impact the game.

it's strange, looking at the boxscore, even with the OT, I thought that Rose, Mo, JYD had played more minutes. Seems to me that Herb is really rotating the guys in a nice way, cutting the minutes of the starters, and forcing eveyone to play with a high level of energy when they are on the floor. I like it.

Another thing I am very excited about is the guard play. Last night Crawford and Marbury didnt shoot the ball well but combined for 17 assists and 4 TOs. They had 21 assists to 4 TOs against Phili. They really set up the bigs nicely and push the ball well also.

Crawford's been VERY solid at the backup PG last couple of games.

I'd like to continue to see Crawford at the PG and cutting Marb's minutes to 35 per game, but I have not been as impressed (especially with in the Laker game). There was a sequence of 2 possentions in the second half where he hoisted the ball from deep without even trying to go to the bastek. I would really rather see Crawford drive to the bastet and dish or stop and pop or go for the layup (even if it is a miss) than dancing on the perimeter and bombing away.
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3/1/2005  12:56 PM
yeah crawford was dreadful lastnight. Why does he keep reverting to his Bulls way. Does't see how could he is when he plays under control and penetrates more?! He is still passing the ball off and getting guys more open looks then he did in the beginning of the year which is good.

I think it is very good to have Mo Taylor pushing Sweetney to stay focused for 48mins. Because he knows that if he doesn't he might be out of the starting lineup again which will never happen because Sweetney will continue to put up double-doubles with ease. Especially now that he is starting and learning to stay out of foul trouble.
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3/1/2005  1:39 PM
Posted by fishmike:

guys.. I think the dudes got MS, I know nobody meant any offense by the jokes.

my apologies

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03/01/2005 13:41:42]
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3/1/2005  1:51 PM
at this point, would a pure PG be a better draft pick for us and move marbury to the SG with jamal being a combo backup or should we still go the SG route?

marbury puts up a ton of numbers and gets his assists as a by product of his scoring ability. but at the end of games it hasn't been working. is that a product of marbury not really being able to create for others on the iso or just a bad team philosophy and lack of prep down the stretch?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03/01/2005 13:52:25]
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3/1/2005  2:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

guys.. I think the dudes got MS, I know nobody meant any offense by the jokes.

my apologies

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03/01/2005 13:41:42]

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