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I was at the game. Just some quick observations:
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Allanfan20
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3/1/2005  12:40 AM
First off, I am pleased to say that I got there and home just fine, but some quick thoughts on both teams.

Tim Thomas- GREAT scoring game and played the way he was cabable, however, his defense was pretty bad. Caron Butler had a TON of open 3s. He has to stop that. Someone suggested that we should have had Tim on Kobe in the starting lineup, and I actually think that would have helped a little. That's b/c on the times TT was switched to him, his D was good. Kobe absolutely abused Crawford early and late. Trevor played great D on him. I'm not sold on TT yet though.

Marbury- Played a solid offensive game, but his defense was really bad too. Chucky Atkins hit way too many open 3s. But on offense, Marbury gets props for letting all of his teammates, especially TT, involved.

Sweetney and KT- If Sweetney can stay out of his foul problems, that can be one sweet duo. They conpliment eachother nicely.

Lamar Odom- This guy is freaking HUGE. He looks big on TV, but in real life, he's a friggin' Giant and looks like a 7 footer, yet is smooth like a point guard. His athletic ability is sick and his moves are slick. KT played very good defense on him, yet he still had a very good game. Marbury is NOT better than him. I would definitely trade Marbury for him, but only if that meant Jamal would be the starting PG.
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3/1/2005  3:05 AM
NY needs a defensive coordinator.
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3/1/2005  7:51 AM
I agree about Odom. He really impressed me last night.
He can really move and handle the ball! VERY impressive.
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3/1/2005  8:06 AM
Odom looks great from a distance but is not consistent or dependable. I gotta think that if Marbury played with a frontcourt player as good as the backcourt teammate Odom has (Kobe) the team would at least be on pace to make the playoffs. It's surprising that a Kobe/Odom combo is not good enough to make the playoffs.
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3/1/2005  8:10 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Odom looks great from a distance but is not consistent or dependable. I gotta think that if Marbury played with a frontcourt player as good as the backcourt teammate Odom has (Kobe) the team would at least be on pace to make the playoffs. It's surprising that a Kobe/Odom combo is not good enough to make the playoffs.

Chemistry is not there. I think Kobe is now cursed for the
rest of his career. His hubris that caused the blowing up
of the Lakers has offended the basketball gods. He will
never again content for a title.
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3/1/2005  8:30 AM
is Marbury consistant or dependable? Two words I dont assosiate with him (exibit a: FT line last night)
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3/1/2005  9:00 AM
Ft's are only one aspect of the game and I would say this season he has been unusually inconsistan.

In most other aspects of the game (except defense) I would say he is dependable and consisitant.
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3/1/2005  10:00 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

First off, I am pleased to say that I got there and home just fine, but some quick thoughts on both teams.

Tim Thomas- GREAT scoring game and played the way he was cabable, however, his defense was pretty bad. Caron Butler had a TON of open 3s. He has to stop that. Someone suggested that we should have had Tim on Kobe in the starting lineup, and I actually think that would have helped a little. That's b/c on the times TT was switched to him, his D was good. Kobe absolutely abused Crawford early and late. Trevor played great D on him. I'm not sold on TT yet though.

Marbury- Played a solid offensive game, but his defense was really bad too. Chucky Atkins hit way too many open 3s. But on offense, Marbury gets props for letting all of his teammates, especially TT, involved.

Sweetney and KT- If Sweetney can stay out of his foul problems, that can be one sweet duo. They conpliment eachother nicely.

Lamar Odom- This guy is freaking HUGE. He looks big on TV, but in real life, he's a friggin' Giant and looks like a 7 footer, yet is smooth like a point guard. His athletic ability is sick and his moves are slick. KT played very good defense on him, yet he still had a very good game. Marbury is NOT better than him. I would definitely trade Marbury for him, but only if that meant Jamal would be the starting PG.

Odom plays little to no D himself. I wouldn't trade a pg with ability for him. Odom was special early in his career but now there are so many big men like him. If you want a guy like that, I would look at a guy in the draft like Charlie Villanueva.
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3/1/2005  10:05 AM
I also thought Odom as a pretty good long defender especially last season in Miami. I can see his defense getting worse in LA.

I really dislike Kobe now. Walton should've taken that shot but I bet if he had and missed Kobe would've given him a really hard time about it. I feel bad for Luke and the rest of those Laker players.
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3/1/2005  10:13 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Caron Butler had a TON of open 3s. He has to stop that. Someone suggested that we should have had Tim on Kobe in the starting lineup, and I actually think that would have helped a little. That's b/c on the times TT was switched to him, his D was good. Kobe absolutely abused Crawford early and late. Trevor played great D on him. I'm not sold on TT yet though.

From what I could see watching from home, Butler had open 3's largely because of Kobe and the amount of help that other players (TT & others) were looking to offer.

TT on Kobe would have been better because I'd rather keep Kobe out of the paint and on the perimeter & keep him off the line and keep him from getting team mates open looks
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3/1/2005  10:28 AM
On a year by year basis, Marbury has been one of the most consistent guards in the game. He gives you 20/8 for 80 games every year. Each season is a completely new mystery that could be great or bad for Odom. I can't imagine Marbury teaming up with a player as good as Kobe (not necessarily Kobe because their skills conflict too much) and still missing the playoffs.
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3/1/2005  11:10 AM
Bonn, yes, Marbury has been one of the bright spots of the team. He has had a very good offensive season. A very typical offensive season. And again, I praise him for getting his teammates involved like he did, last night. However, I think first of all, you underestimate the talent of this team. It's just nobody on the team has meshed well together. And also, it seems like Marbury has a tendency to think he's bigger than the game which gets in the way, like with Kobe. Also, his decision and reliability in crunch time is very inconsistent. He's sometimes good and sometimes bad.

As for Odom, when he had his drug and injury problems, he was very inconsistent, but when he signed with the Heat last year, he started to really turn it up, and this year, he's been very underrated. You say they should be on pace to make it to the playoffs. I think they are, aren't they???? But something I saw on the replay last night. Kobe is a bad chemistry player at times. He had no right yelling at Walton. Kobe made 10X more mistakes during the game. That's why I say Odom is just as important. He's got the skills to play any position consistently (Besides maybe PG) and he plays his ars off. And he seems like a great chemistry guy. I'll take that guy for anyone on the team.
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3/1/2005  11:20 AM
hmmm I think I agree with Bonn. Marbury #s are consistant every single year. 20 & 8 and you may never get 20 out of Odom. I am not impressed with the 15pts he's averaging on a bad team. he should at least average close to 20. He was averaging 14 before Kobe got hurt. Odom has all the skills but he's just missing something that would propel him to superstar status. right now he's just a star like Marbury
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3/1/2005  11:57 AM
A bad team??? Even though the Knicks beat them, they are much better than the Knicks, overall, and they are NOT a bad team. They are 29-27 in the West with the 8th seed right now. That's counting the injury to Kobe. The Lakers are a good team, but they have to play their cards right now, or else they can eventually turn into a bad team.

Lamar Odom may be just a star, like Marbury (I don't get the logic in that comment) but he's a star that I would take ahead of Marbury, b/c of what he brings to the table and what Marbury doesn't.
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3/1/2005  12:01 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

A bad team??? Even though the Knicks beat them, they are much better than the Knicks, overall, and they are NOT a bad team. They are 29-27 in the West with the 8th seed right now. That's counting the injury to Kobe. The Lakers are a good team, but they have to play their cards right now, or else they can eventually turn into a bad team.

Lamar Odom may be just a star, like Marbury (I don't get the logic in that comment) but he's a star that I would take ahead of Marbury, b/c of what he brings to the table and what Marbury doesn't.

both Minnesota and Denver are better and have better players. The Lakers will not make the playoffs. If Minnesota ad Denver played the way they've been playing all year the Lakers wouldn't be in the playoff picture right now.
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