Look...ok...maybe 13 and 6 is asking much, but I figured he was 27 entering his prime and working with a top mclass big man coach (apparently) in Aguirre.....his career averages are 12 and 5....I will bring my numbers down to 11 and 5 for him (which I think he can easily attain if he gets time, IMO, he is already averaging 8 and 4 and that was on a JVG coached low scoring team with TMac, Yao, Juwan, Sura....

Either way, I think that his contract is not as unreasonable when taking into account our other contracts (TT, Allan, even Baker and Moochie were GROSSLY overpaid for their production). This guy has a chance to resurrect his career in a no pressure situation (Sweets and KT are the ones under the pressure) and I have to take into account what Aguirre has accomplished with Sweets and Nazr and Ariza that Mo will improve even marginally.

if he started I think he would average 12 & 5 at best. He's a better offensive player than Kurt and Sweetney but nowhere near as good a rebounder/defender. I'll take 5 & 3 off the bench for 15mins a game. He's going to be last on the PF depth chart.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/28/2005 10:52:48]

Layden Sucks, Layden sucks! The cheers from fans.

This year is a big disappointment.

The dunce hat, well if one week you say your not adding contrcts, and the next you add 32 million to it, its not anything about African-American leadership, its a numbers game.

Our payroll is $103,500,000. The Spurs $47.5 million. Ours is 21% higher than Portlands, number two on the list.

We are the laughing stock of the league. And, we don't win!

Steinbrenner was lambasted during the 1980's as a meddling fool! He was a clown for many years the team lost, spent big money, and signed stupid players past their prime. Until he handed over operations and built thru the minors did his fortunes change.

Me a hater? I rooted for Layden to make make the needed changes! I root for Isiah to do the same. But I am not about to try to defend Mo T. and try to sell his deal as attractive cuz it expires the same year as Allans! I am not about to defend him just becasue I think the media is beating on him. They bring up some good points from time to time, as well as idiotic diatribe.

Isiah had a vision of bringing in overpaid players whom have not achieved to their potential. These players have huge talent and we got them cuz we took on their contracts. Isiah thought by changing the values of the team, he could install a pride and toughness in them. I like what he is trying to do, but on these players (penny, Marbs, Craw, Vin, and TT) its not working! So its on to plan B, and thats cool.

He is building assets, and that I root for no matter whom has been at the helm of that ship. But mind you, the payroll is not about Black Leadership, its about the largest in pro sports, and one with the least results for the money!

wasn't it 5-20?

Itsk ok guys, according to RVHoss the addition of Malik Rose will make us win close games, and cause to make the 2nd round.

Every day there are stupider and stupider posts here.

Posted by gunsnewing:

if he started I think he would average 12 & 5 at best. He's a better offensive player than Kurt and Sweetney but nowhere near as good a rebounder/defender. I'll take 5 & 3 off the bench for 15mins a game. He's going to be last on the PF depth chart.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/28/2005 10:52:48]

If we have to put KT mostly at center and Sweets starts, we are splitting time between JYD, Taylor and Malik. Now if this kid Zeke just signed works out, Maybe we have a good problem on our hands, and you are right, if Taylor is last on the depth chart he won't get time, but Until then, KT and Taylor may be maniing the center spot, and Taylor is there only because of his size....that means Sweets, JYD and Malik are vying for time at PF and JYD, Malik, Trev and TT are vying for time at SF....maybe...

I'll retract my statement and refine it a little more...If Mo earns time and proves that he should get time I don't see why he can't average 12 and 5, especially if he and Sweets are our only down low threats (like I said this is only if that kid doesn't work out and Aguirre can help Mo get it together), I like JYD and Malik, but IMO, Mo has more talent and potential than both.

Malik just like JYD can play at least three positions. Those two are no problems. We can play both of them at SF/PF/C. Penny can play 3 positions and both Marb and Crawf can play 2 positions. Are we versatile? yes we are. Herb has a pretty good problem to deal with, but he is savvy enough to know who to have on the court. When you can play defense in this league, you have a pretty good chance at getting into games.

I predict that Mo Taylor will be a pretty big part of what the Knicks are trying to do. Don't be suprise if TT is traded and both Malik and Mo are retained...

Posted by gunsnewing:

I think Rose is a better option at backup center and thats where he'll play i think. This team needs defense more than offense. If Taylor plays and rose and jyd dont we'll lose every game. If we have another letdown and decide to go back to tanking starting Taylor might be a good idea. Because then we'll give up 100pts every game and lose.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/28/2005 11:36:45]

ROFLMAO!!!!

If we go 16 - 9 over the next 25

we will get a lousy lottery pick and probably miss another chance at a franchise caliber player

Artest is a top 10 NBA player like it or not. Oneil may be their best but its very easy to argue that Arest is their most important.

They arent the same without him. He virtually locks down whoever the coach askes him too.. PGs, SGs, SFs, PFs... and then goes and gets you 18/7 on the other end.

If he wasnt a mental case he would be recognized right up there with the Kobe, TMac, whoever crowd.

Posted by Nalod:

Layden Sucks, Layden sucks! The cheers from fans.

This year is a big disappointment.

The dunce hat, well if one week you say your not adding contrcts, and the next you add 32 million to it, its not anything about African-American leadership, its a numbers game.

Our payroll is $103,500,000. The Spurs $47.5 million. Ours is 21% higher than Portlands, number two on the list.

We are the laughing stock of the league. And, we don't win!

Steinbrenner was lambasted during the 1980's as a meddling fool! He was a clown for many years the team lost, spent big money, and signed stupid players past their prime. Until he handed over operations and built thru the minors did his fortunes change.

Me a hater? I rooted for Layden to make make the needed changes! I root for Isiah to do the same. But I am not about to try to defend Mo T. and try to sell his deal as attractive cuz it expires the same year as Allans! I am not about to defend him just becasue I think the media is beating on him. They bring up some good points from time to time, as well as idiotic diatribe.

Isiah had a vision of bringing in overpaid players whom have not achieved to their potential. These players have huge talent and we got them cuz we took on their contracts. Isiah thought by changing the values of the team, he could install a pride and toughness in them. I like what he is trying to do, but on these players (penny, Marbs, Craw, Vin, and TT) its not working! So its on to plan B, and thats cool.

He is building assets, and that I root for no matter whom has been at the helm of that ship. But mind you, the payroll is not about Black Leadership, its about the largest in pro sports, and one with the least results for the money!

As a Yankee fan, I can admit this. If there was a salary cap in baseball like bb, I think the Yanks would have about 2 rings not 4. And definately not in the post season every year. If vice versa was true, the Knicks under Dolan would be an elite team every year. The salary cap makes you accountable. To be honest the Yankees over the last couple of years have made more bad decisions than the Knicks but ... one is an apple the other an orange.

Posted by misterearl:

newyorknewyork - Getting out of the first rd is the lowest result im looking for next season.

This season isn't over yrt

newyorknewyork - But that Taylor move definatly cut it shorter than it once was. That move was just horrible.

Horrible?

Did the Knicks win or not?

newyorknewyork - "And if he didn't land 2 picks in the Rose deal I think I would have thrown up. "

Save your bile. The Knicks have two first round picks.

newyorknewyork - "When you make moves like that results better follow or he will continue to get blasted.

The Knicks won. Big game tonight

"we were depending on Dice knee to save us, and we were in salary cap hell.

newyorknewyork - Scott Layden was depending on Dice knee to save us

This season isn't over yrt

You asked me what would big results for next season be so I answerd your question. Getting out of the first rd is the lowest result im looking for.

Did the Knicks win or not?

Are you trying to tell me that trading for Taylor is the reason we won that game???

Save your bile. The Knicks have two first round picks.

I didn't mind the Rose deal. But if we didn't make the Rose deal and get the 2 picks I would have thrown up over the Taylor deal.

The Knicks won. Big game tonight

Do you seriously see this team currently contructed defeating Detroit, Miami, Philly, Indy, Boston, Cleveland in a 4 game series. Cuz I sure as hell don't. And if we don't do any moves in the offseason we won't be able to compete with those teams next yr either.