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BRIGGS
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2/25/2005  9:07 PM
Since we drastically altered our team yesterday and have an abundance of PFs, players like Sheldan Williams, Hakim Warrick, Wayne Simien and even PRO PFs like Zach Randolph now make 0 sense to us. I have come to the opinion that we should address the Houston problem with our lottery pick if, what I expect, a true C worth taking in the lottery is not available to us.

Im convinced that Guilermo Diaz, IMHO, is the best 2G in CBB. He has almost every characteristic you would want in a player. He has athletiscm that rivals any player that EVER played basketball, his body control on offense and defense is off the charts. He has a beatiful long range stroke and has the toughness of a John Starks. The only downside is he is 6-2, but he is so good that I would look past that because of the speed he can use on the D. I suggest that we pick him if we cannot get a C. He gives us that third guard, a player who truly has amazing basketball skills that is coupled with off the charts athletic ability, a true explosvive force from the 2. Like Bogut, he has exploded from Y1 to Y2 and is leading the ACC in scoring at 23.5 pts shooting 49% from the field. He will flourish in the nBA, quite like Ben Gorodn and Dwayne Wade iMHO. If we settle for a position player who is not as good as a lottery pick, we will pay for it. Diaz is a pure lottery pick, quite frankly an amazing player who keeps on coming on. We have NEVEr had a player in NY with his athletiscm, which rivals ANY NBA player in history.
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2/25/2005  9:20 PM
if we can get a pro like Randolph then obviously he's the one who's going to play most of the minutes. Same with the draft, if Bogut, Vasquez are gone and the rest of the centers are stiffs then i have no problem drafting a PF as long as he's the best player available. Same goes for SGs and SFs.

Out of SF & SG which one do you think we need most. I'm gonna say SF because TT & Penny will be gone and we dont know if Ariza is going to have a good enough jumpshot to be a starter. We have Crawford at SG or we can find a good shooter at SG with our second round pick.

But if all the good centers are gone draft the best player available. I'm glad Isiah made it clear in that sportsdesk interview that our biggest weakness is the center position and thats what most of us been saying since they traded Ewing.



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/25/2005 21:27:00]
BRIGGS
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2/25/2005  9:23 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

if we can get a pro like Randolph then obviously he's the one who's going to play most of the minutes. Same with the draft, if Bogut, Vasquez are gone and the rest of the centers are stiffs then i have no problem drafting a PF as long as he's the best player available. Same goes for SGs and SFs.

Out of SF & SG which one do you think we need most. I'm gonna say SF because TT & Penny will be gone and we dont know if Ariza is going to have a good enough jumpshot to be a starter. We have Crawford at SG or we can find a good shooter SG with our second round pick.

Right now we have 5 PFs signed long term. That's the way isiah wanted it. How can anyone justify another one? these are not players with ending contracts, these are players with MASSIVE contracts. He has decided these players are the answer at PF along with Mike Sweetney.
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2/25/2005  10:00 PM
I believe in taking the BPA no matter what.
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2/25/2005  10:04 PM
I like Diaz a lot, the only thing that concerns me of course is his size and weight which is gonna make it tough for him to excel at the 2 in the NBA. But this kid just impresses me everytime I see him so I definitely wouldn't mind taking him in the draft.

BRIGGS, have you seen Gerald Green play? I haven't seen him play at all but I've heard some good things about him, wondering if you think this kid can be a star in the NBA or not.
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2/25/2005  10:18 PM
Posted by s3231:

I like Diaz a lot, the only thing that concerns me of course is his size and weight which is gonna make it tough for him to excel at the 2 in the NBA. But this kid just impresses me everytime I see him so I definitely wouldn't mind taking him in the draft.

BRIGGS, have you seen Gerald Green play? I haven't seen him play at all but I've heard some good things about him, wondering if you think this kid can be a star in the NBA or not.

Just video clips, but it's really hard to get a handle without seeing live action. I can't make any kind of informed opinion, but I would suspect since he is rivals #1 ranked player and can play 2G at 6-8 that ultimately he will be in the mix for sure. I know he can sky, but he also appears very skinny. Diaz is a player who is ready to go and has the toughness of a Starks/Iversen with all of the skills and can literally play above the square on the backboard. It's his body control that stands out, I hope everyone gets a chance to watch him because they will understand what I am saying. Hes going to be an U NBELIEVABLE NBA player. Lets say this, Ive seen Rudy Gay play every game this year and Ive seen Diaz three times and I think Diaz will be a better pro, thats how good I think he is.
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2/25/2005  10:36 PM
Posted by Rich:

I believe in taking the BPA no matter what.

I agree. Take the best player, and trade for what you really want after. or just keep him. Portland and Houston probably think about what they did about 20 years ago in the draft, and would agree to that statement
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2/25/2005  11:15 PM
the players in our long term picture are marbury, crawford, ariza, and sweetney. everyone else is just treading water here collecting fat checks. if we pick up a serviceable defensive PG for the bench in the late draft or free agency, then i'm cool with taking the best player at any spot 2-5.
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2/26/2005  1:39 AM
Here is a recent article about Diaz if you have not seen him play this year.

http://www.hoop-rap.com/news/newsview.php?getstory=100

In the article , one of the announcers says he has a 41 inch vertcial leap, but he was actually measured at 47.5 with his AAU team and Rivals scouting services listed his vertical at 46 inches. He stands 6-2 1/2 185
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2/26/2005  6:36 AM
Our needs are now starting center, backup center, backup SF? (I'm sure Timmy isn't in our longterm plans, so I'll say that a backup SF wouldn't hurt), starting/backup SG (depending on your faith in Crawford), backup PG.
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2/26/2005  8:43 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Here is a recent article about Diaz if you have not seen him play this year.

http://www.hoop-rap.com/news/newsview.php?getstory=100

In the article , one of the announcers says he has a 41 inch vertcial leap, but he was actually measured at 47.5 with his AAU team and Rivals scouting services listed his vertical at 46 inches. He stands 6-2 1/2 185

Damn. That's a ridiculous vertical.

He's a little short for the SG position, though. Hmmm...
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2/26/2005  9:23 AM
love or dont love Crawford I dont see SG as a priority. We need help at the 3 and the 5 first and formost. I think the SG can be addressed with the Spurs or Pho pick.

This is where you need Isiah's scouting. Not looking for a star, just a good backup. Danny Granger, Salim Stoudemire, Luther Head, Dijon Thompson... there's tons of guys.

If we stink enough we could actually move up to 4. Maybe Baron comes back and GS wins some games.. not sure about his status. I'm hoping is Bogus isnt an option Marvin Williams or Gay declares.

Plus you can get a solid player like Raja Bell with the MLE.

Not worried about 2 unless its a backup with a late pick, but same can be said of the PG
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2/26/2005  9:39 AM
I'm so glad Nazr is gone because people were thinking he was the answer and center and you don't win a championship with a backup center as your starting center.
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2/26/2005  10:24 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I'm so glad Nazr is gone because people were thinking he was the answer and center and you don't win a championship with a backup center as your starting center.

I don't know what we are right now, I really don't. We literally have undersized 5 PF's. I don't know if we can get a C through the draft. I'm hopeful like anyone else that we can win the lottery so they don't have to think that much in the NSG suites, although they probably will fck it up anyway.

But the bottom line is, really you cannot draft by position when you are this high, unless the talent= out. It's like saying, well we have Jamal Crawford and Marbury, but Dwayne Wade couldnt help the team more than , lets say Calvin Booth.

We just had smarter people behind the scenes and coaching the team that this whole masquerade the last 5 years as been like a shock.


I mean the statement from isiah that Mo taylor would be a great asset when his contract was in his last year, it just shows is business acumen. hey, doodles, the contracts you just traded were expiring NEXT year! I mean the best you can do is pay an additional 15mm for a guy who was not even allowed to dress? was there 1 reason to rush this deal+++ when you are taking back what amounted to a salary casualty for the rockets--you give them picks--i mean do you follow the nBA????? the logic, the thought process is like demented--thats what scares me here, I think Isiah is a good talker, I think he is showing his IQ is quite average to say the least. I was a HUGE HUGe proponent of hiring Magic Johnson, and I think we shouldve waited for him, gave him time-we werent and HAVENt gone any place anyway! they couldve fired Layden and said we were going to take our time finding the right guy. Now we have a guy who has proven he handles $ poorly, he isnt a high IQ guy, he's a proven shady liar. Thats not what you want in the front office.
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2/26/2005  10:43 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I'm so glad Nazr is gone because people were thinking he was the answer and center and you don't win a championship with a backup center as your starting center.

I don't know what we are right now, I really don't. We literally have undersized 5 PF's. I don't know if we can get a C through the draft. I'm hopeful like anyone else that we can win the lottery so they don't have to think that much in the NSG suites, although they probably will fck it up anyway.

But the bottom line is, really you cannot draft by position when you are this high, unless the talent= out. It's like saying, well we have Jamal Crawford and Marbury, but Dwayne Wade couldnt help the team more than , lets say Calvin Booth.

We just had smarter people behind the scenes and coaching the team that this whole masquerade the last 5 years as been like a shock.


I mean the statement from isiah that Mo taylor would be a great asset when his contract was in his last year, it just shows is business acumen. hey, doodles, the contracts you just traded were expiring NEXT year! I mean the best you can do is pay an additional 15mm for a guy who was not even allowed to dress? was there 1 reason to rush this deal+++ when you are taking back what amounted to a salary casualty for the rockets--you give them picks--i mean do you follow the nBA????? the logic, the thought process is like demented--thats what scares me here, I think Isiah is a good talker, I think he is showing his IQ is quite average to say the least. I was a HUGE HUGe proponent of hiring Magic Johnson, and I think we shouldve waited for him, gave him time-we werent and HAVENt gone any place anyway! they couldve fired Layden and said we were going to take our time finding the right guy. Now we have a guy who has proven he handles $ poorly, he isnt a high IQ guy, he's a proven shady liar. Thats not what you want in the front office.

Spot on. Isiah su-cks. Magic, on the other hand, is a succesful businessman and an ideal GM for this team.

Forgot which paper it was, but a writer in his article was referring to Isiah's talk about building a championship team - we all thought he was talking about the Knicks, not the Spurs! hahaha! Good one.

You know what? Kurt is not the problem, nor are Marbury, Penny, or TT. The problem is Isiah, and Dolan who lets Isiah bring this franchise deeper into mediocrity. They are a great match, really.
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2/26/2005  10:52 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I'm so glad Nazr is gone because people were thinking he was the answer and center and you don't win a championship with a backup center as your starting center.

I don't know what we are right now, I really don't. We literally have undersized 5 PF's. I don't know if we can get a C through the draft. I'm hopeful like anyone else that we can win the lottery so they don't have to think that much in the NSG suites, although they probably will fck it up anyway.

But the bottom line is, really you cannot draft by position when you are this high, unless the talent= out. It's like saying, well we have Jamal Crawford and Marbury, but Dwayne Wade couldnt help the team more than , lets say Calvin Booth.

We just had smarter people behind the scenes and coaching the team that this whole masquerade the last 5 years as been like a shock.


I mean the statement from isiah that Mo taylor would be a great asset when his contract was in his last year, it just shows is business acumen. hey, doodles, the contracts you just traded were expiring NEXT year! I mean the best you can do is pay an additional 15mm for a guy who was not even allowed to dress? was there 1 reason to rush this deal+++ when you are taking back what amounted to a salary casualty for the rockets--you give them picks--i mean do you follow the nBA????? the logic, the thought process is like demented--thats what scares me here, I think Isiah is a good talker, I think he is showing his IQ is quite average to say the least. I was a HUGE HUGe proponent of hiring Magic Johnson, and I think we shouldve waited for him, gave him time-we werent and HAVENt gone any place anyway! they couldve fired Layden and said we were going to take our time finding the right guy. Now we have a guy who has proven he handles $ poorly, he isnt a high IQ guy, he's a proven shady liar. Thats not what you want in the front office.

The only explanation I can come up with for that Rockets trade is this: I think the supposed KT to Cleveland for Drew Gooden and Ira Newble trade was still alive and Isiah realized that while Drew is long and athletic, he's a little light, so he went looking for size. What he found was Mo Taylor for Vin and Moochie. So Zeke was thinking:

Marbs, Jamal
Jamal, Penny
TT, Ariza
Gooden, Sweets, Rose
Taylor, JYD

But, as we know, Cleveland pulled out at the last minute, probably after Zeke paperwork on the Houston trade. That's the only thing that possibly makes sense to me.
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2/26/2005  11:09 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I'm so glad Nazr is gone because people were thinking he was the answer and center and you don't win a championship with a backup center as your starting center.

I don't know what we are right now, I really don't. We literally have undersized 5 PF's. I don't know if we can get a C through the draft. I'm hopeful like anyone else that we can win the lottery so they don't have to think that much in the NSG suites, although they probably will fck it up anyway.

But the bottom line is, really you cannot draft by position when you are this high, unless the talent= out. It's like saying, well we have Jamal Crawford and Marbury, but Dwayne Wade couldnt help the team more than , lets say Calvin Booth.

We just had smarter people behind the scenes and coaching the team that this whole masquerade the last 5 years as been like a shock.


I mean the statement from isiah that Mo taylor would be a great asset when his contract was in his last year, it just shows is business acumen. hey, doodles, the contracts you just traded were expiring NEXT year! I mean the best you can do is pay an additional 15mm for a guy who was not even allowed to dress? was there 1 reason to rush this deal+++ when you are taking back what amounted to a salary casualty for the rockets--you give them picks--i mean do you follow the nBA????? the logic, the thought process is like demented--thats what scares me here, I think Isiah is a good talker, I think he is showing his IQ is quite average to say the least. I was a HUGE HUGe proponent of hiring Magic Johnson, and I think we shouldve waited for him, gave him time-we werent and HAVENt gone any place anyway! they couldve fired Layden and said we were going to take our time finding the right guy. Now we have a guy who has proven he handles $ poorly, he isnt a high IQ guy, he's a proven shady liar. Thats not what you want in the front office.

The only explanation I can come up with for that Rockets trade is this: I think the supposed KT to Cleveland for Drew Gooden and Ira Newble trade was still alive and Isiah realized that while Drew is long and athletic, he's a little light, so he went looking for size. What he found was Mo Taylor for Vin and Moochie. So Zeke was thinking:

Marbs, Jamal
Jamal, Penny
TT, Ariza
Gooden, Sweets, Rose
Taylor, JYD

But, as we know, Cleveland pulled out at the last minute, probably after Zeke paperwork on the Houston trade. That's the only thing that possibly makes sense to me.

Mo Taylor as a 5? JYD as a 5? Are you kidding me? Lets face it, the reality is we have 5 undersized 4s anyway you want to look at it, or if you want to be fancy, we have some 3s who arent excaly 3 material.

Go look at Yahoo spots, look at our roster, look at that roster, look at how much money has been spent since isiah got here.

Just think about this, the Portland Trailblazers paid 3mm $ to NJ for pick 23. Unless SA stinks[and they are so smart they probably have 10 years of protection on the pick] we paid roughlt 30mm $ for 1 pick. We gave up what will likely be a high 2 for a low 3, so really it cancels out. 30mm$ for malik rose, mo taylor and pick 29--yep we are on course!
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2/26/2005  11:15 AM
I'm not saying it makes sense, but it's one possible explanation.

Also, if we traded KT and took back Drew (rookie contract) and Ira Newble's deal, we would have saved about $10 million.

I just think the Maurice deal makes sense in the larger context of all three deals, because he'd be our biggest under-sized PF because Drew is sort of a tweener right now. Therefore, while not a center, he might be the best suited to play center.

And, no, JYD isn't a center, but the Knicks had basically using him as a back up center earlier in the season when he was playing 20 minutes a night. Putting someone in the center slot doesn't make them a center, nor does it mean I think they're a center, but it's making due with the crappy ass roster we have. It's an explanation I can live: that if the Gooden trade went down, the Maurice trade would make slightly more sense. The Gooden trade didn't go down, so it doesn't make sense, but what's Isiah supposed to say: I tried to trade Kurt but Cleveland backed out, oh well, Kurt, go win one for the gipper!??
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2/26/2005  11:26 AM
this mo taylor trade, in my opinion, took us out of anything substantial this summer. it looks like isiah is over his head and is constantly contradicting himself. it's either him or coming from dolan. but i can't see how dolan would say to isiah "hey, go get me mo taylor", you know? it's tough b/c i want to give him time to show what he can do but i don't like what my spidey sense is telling me right now. by moving nazr, vin, moochie all before the deadline, all those hundreds and hundreds of posts about using them in a sign and trade for swift and co. are all to waste now. buying late picks (probably better than the ones we traded for) were a better option. i'm seriously considering giving up my season tickets for next year.
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2/26/2005  12:05 PM
Yup, we could have done something like looked into drafting a Warrick, or signing Swift, and that very well could have been the only thing we would have done, and that would have been fine. Now, we have no room to develop any of those players, b/c all of the guys we have are worthy of playing time, but aren't gonna make the team any better, unless we make changes elsewhere. Isiah screwed the team on Thursday. We were MUCH better off staying put. Isiah is in a hole right now. He can still get out, but this Summer, he has some work to do, and I mean hard thinking work. Not just going out and getting a Paul Pierce and saying we are in contention, b/c he's not what the team needs. 3 days ago, we needed SOME new players. Now, once again, the entire roster needs to be blown up, and we are right back at scratch.

Isiah may very well HAVE to trade Marbury now and perhaps draft a PG or something. He may very well have to trade everyone on the team!
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