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BRIGGS
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2/21/2005  5:30 PM
Use Marbury to grab Odom and a pick
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2/21/2005  5:32 PM
If I didn't know as well as I do, that Zeke won't be trading Marbury, I may be for this trade.
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2/21/2005  5:37 PM
god dont tease me... you really think Marbury could get Odom?
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2/21/2005  5:37 PM
great trade for both teams...Kobe could rest and concentrate on scoring and defense. Odom is instant replacement for TinyTim and move Ariza to the SG position.

We'd miss those 30 points and every crawford bad game would be a for sure loss...I'm gonna say no.
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2/21/2005  6:12 PM
Knicks need to be apart of something.....

I'm highly annoyed the Knicks couldn't get in on a trade for Boozer....

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2/21/2005  6:53 PM
you guys wanna eat your cake and have it to........save the drama for the draft
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2/21/2005  9:27 PM
Yeah, I'd do that deal, but again, when it comes to Marbury, Isiah is in love and will not trade him. However, Odom can play the 3 and the 4 on both ends and can do everything. You don't think it would take more?

Moving Crawford at the PG would be a real good idea. He's gonna learn the game and eventually be a real good player. Just needs to continue learning, and he needs to bulk up more. Maybe 10 lbs of muscle or something.
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2/21/2005  10:01 PM
i dont know what crawford has shown you people that justifies making him our PG. Right now i'm just hoping that he can become a smarter SG. forget about PG!
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2/22/2005  12:20 PM
Posted by fishmike:

god dont tease me... you really think Marbury could get Odom?
You want Odom over Marbury? It's one thing to be disappointed that Marbury's not been able to carry an awful supporting cast to a good record, but he's far better than Odom. I don't think Odom's ever even been an all-star. It's also unsual for him to be healthy for a full season.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/22/2005 12:22:39]
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2/22/2005  12:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

god dont tease me... you really think Marbury could get Odom?
You want Odom over Marbury? It's one thing to be disappointed that Marbury's not been able to carry an awful supporting cast to a good record, but he's far better than Odom. I don't think Odom's ever even been an all-star. It's also unsual for him to be healthy for a full season.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/22/2005 12:22:39]

I'd take Odom over Marbury, too. No contest, really. :) A 6'10" SF/PF who is extremely versatile vs. a 6'1" PG who can't defend a dead rat, in an era where good PGs are EXTREMELY common? Where do I sign for getting Odom in exchange for Marbsuxxy?
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2/22/2005  12:32 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

god dont tease me... you really think Marbury could get Odom?
You want Odom over Marbury? It's one thing to be disappointed that Marbury's not been able to carry an awful supporting cast to a good record, but he's far better than Odom. I don't think Odom's ever even been an all-star. It's also unsual for him to be healthy for a full season.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/22/2005 12:22:39]

I'd take Odom over Marbury, too. No contest, really. :) A 6'10" SF/PF who is extremely versatile vs. a 6'1" PG who can't defend a dead rat, in an era where good PGs are EXTREMELY common? Where do I sign for getting Odom in exchange for Marbsuxxy?
Marbury doesn't like Keithy; I'd expect you to trade him for Eisley

Marbury's defense is not as bad as some people make it seem. He doesn't rotate well and sometimes gets lazy and use poor body language. But he keeps his man in front of him about as successfully as the average PG and holds his opposing PG to a low FG%. I'd like to see Odom have to carry a team with no supporting cast on offense for 42 mpg and still have the energy to play lock down defense. Maybe Fish was right when he said to wait until we get at least one good frontcourt player for Marbury to play with before we judge him.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/22/2005 12:37:43]
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2/22/2005  12:33 PM
Yup, Odom is one of the few players I would trade Marbs for.
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fishmike
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2/22/2005  12:36 PM
Solace.. get over it. Marbury doesnt suck. The guy can play. Flaws? Yes, but the guy can play and he's not the problem with this team. He's one of the only things right with it.

That being said Odom does more. He's one of only 3-4 guys that can honestly play all 5 positions at any given point. I like Marbury and his game but Odom and a pick in the late teens is a solid trade when you consider the position we are in.
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2/22/2005  12:40 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Solace.. get over it. Marbury doesnt suck. The guy can play. Flaws? Yes, but the guy can play and he's not the problem with this team. He's one of the only things right with it.

That being said Odom does more. He's one of only 3-4 guys that can honestly play all 5 positions at any given point. I like Marbury and his game but Odom and a pick in the late teens is a solid trade when you consider the position we are in.
I disagree with your comparison of Marbury and Odom, but I can appreciate that you're at least evaluating Marbury pretty fairly in my view
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2/22/2005  12:44 PM
Odom plays both ends of the floor, rebounds, is a presence, plays with his teammates, isn't selfish and can take over at a given point. Maybe he's not as good a SCORER and disher as Marbury, but Odom isn't far behind, and does other things better than Marbury. Things that we desperately need. I agree that Marbury isn't the problem, and he's hard to replace, but you have to do that trade, and put Jamal at the point.
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2/22/2005  12:46 PM
for this team its a solid trade.
Say we pick 7 and get the Laker's #17. We draft Sheldon Williams (Brigg's sweetheart from Duke) and Louis Williams (HS kid with SICK speed ranked among highest in the country)

We really inject our team with speed and toughness and size. Call Houston a scratch for next year and TT/Penny are on the firesale trading block your team looks like this:
PG Crawford 6'5
SG Ariza 6'8
SF Odom 6'10
PF KT 6'9
C Nazr 6'10
With Sheldon Williams, Sweetney, Louis Williams off the bench thats a MUCH improved core of players moving foward.

I love Marbury but if it makes us better hasta la vista
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2/22/2005  12:48 PM
Speaking of this, I have the pleasure of seeing Odom, and Kobe and Caron and Mihm in person for the first time, b/c I will be attending the Knicks/Lakers game next week! I will be improving my record to 10-2.
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2/22/2005  1:26 PM
What's unrealistic? How are you supposed to win with a guy who doesn't play defense at all? Tim Thomas does more on defense than Marbury.

The problem I have with Marbury is he has a ton of natural athletic ability, a ton of talent, and yet he seems content with just being 'good'. He doesn't do enough to make his teammates better. Overall Odom is comparable talent-wise, but Odom is younger, much taller and a much rarer breed. An athletic big man who can pass, shoot, rebound... a PG in a SF/PF body. To me, there's no contest. You can even play Odom at PG, if you need to.
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2/22/2005  1:37 PM
its hard to judge Marbury's defense with this team. When the Suns played the Spurs Marbury totally locked down Tony Parker. I watched every game and didnt remember being suprised because I didnt realize Marbury was such a good defender. Whenever Parker drove Marbury pushed him baseline right into Amare, Marion or Bo Outlaw. Parker was stiffled, Marbury has a monster series and if he doesnt hurt his ankle the Suns might upset.

Marbury's defense has been bad this year. He's had some good games on D, some total no shows and and some nights where he was just going through the motions on that end.
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2/22/2005  1:42 PM
Marbury needs to play with a shotblocker. He can funnel his man at someone pretty well. That's why he did well when Mutombo was healthy last season.

As for trading Marbury, it's not a horrible idea, but you damn sure better get a tall stud. I'd do the Odom deal, though I don't know why the Lakers would. That would leave the Lakers extremely small with no draft pick. Their back court would be unguardable, but also a back court that totally dominates the ball on offense. I just don't see the Lakers doing that.
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