Posted by nykdunk:

What about our record with Marbury and KVH playing together? Or what about our record with KVH playing under Isiah?

Were they 10-18 when they acquired Marbs? Or was that when Zeke took over? That number sticks in my mind for some reason. Oh, okay, I just looked it up, 10-18 was when Zeke came:

14-21 when they acquired Marbury, 25-29 when KVH was traded. So you guys are complaining about a team being broken that was on a red hot 11-8 streak? A YEAR AFTER THE TRADE?

Face it, guys, they were in an easy part of their schedule when those wins came anyway. They had a bad record in February because they went on a Western road trip where they went 0-6. The record against Western teams on the road with KVH and Marbs? 0-3. Maybe they just weren't very good outside the weak-ass East.

That trade has never bothered me. Also, anyone arguing we should have kept KVH should look at his injuries since the trade. He had a hot stretch right after the trade, but then he got injured and he hasn't been the same since. You could actually make the argument that Tim Thomas has been the better player this year, sick as it sounds.

i'm glad marbury got kvh traded, kvh is garbage.

i'm telling you guys come playoffs or crunchtime and you apply pressure on kvh he crumbles... hes softer then a wet cornflake

Posted by Stevo718:

i'm glad marbury got kvh traded, kvh is garbage.

i'm telling you guys come playoffs or crunchtime and you apply pressure on kvh he crumbles... hes softer then a wet cornflake

Good thing we have TT instead. He crumbles at the very thought of someone touching him.

fellas, i love you all, but can we please get past the whole tim/kvh/nazy/doleac trade?!??!

in the grand scheme of things, it didn't mean anything. we weren't a championship level team before and we're not a championship level team now.

let's all move on...

The point is that Tim Thomas sucks and Marbury is a jerk and needs to be traded.



Yes, we would've been considerably better with a healthy Van Horn putting up 17 and 7. Next question.

Posted by Solace:

The point is that Tim Thomas sucks and Marbury is a jerk and needs to be traded.



Yes, we would've been considerably better with a healthy Van Horn putting up 17 and 7. Next question.

Okay, so instead of being about 10 games under .500, we're about 10, maybe more above. We still wouldn't be winning anything big this year other than Atlantic division, so what's the arguement? At least TT's contract expires at the end of this year so we could get something decent at the 3 posistion or just put Ariza there.

If you're going to look at it that way, you still have to add Doleac to the mix, but I agree, I still think it was worth it.

Posted by martin:

Think of it this way: Zeke gave up TT for KVH and a second rounder for Nazr. Think Nazr is worth a second rounder? I do.

If the second rounder is another Ariza type, which Isiah is great at finding, no I don't do it.

The bottom line is that KVH played solid for us and we turned out back on him for TT & Nazy, what did we get ?? a Fugazy & a center with no hopps around the rim ( always misses game winning shots at the rim ) ... lol..lol... Anyone here who can seriously say that we are better off with TT & Nazy are well........ some what anebriaded !!

I have never understood this debate. Doleac's a stiff and KVH is a horrible choker. He's a reasonably talented player, but I'd probably tell him to leave the Garden if he's on my team in a high pressure situation. Plus, his contract is sticking around for longer.

On the other hand, you've got Tim Thomas, whom I really dislike, but whose contract is gone SOON and you've got Nazr. Nazr's not a superstar, but he's the only quality player involved in the whole business. Moreover, given Nazr's stats, his trade value will definitely go up.

So let's break it down. We gave up the useless Doleac and the awful KVH and a 2nd round pick (the only real loss). We GET the marginally useful, but incredibly annoying Thomas (with an expiring contract) and the useful piece\trade bait Nazr........ We may not be better for that trade this very moment, who can say whether KVH would be averaging 22\9 in an endless stream of meaningless games, although I think we are, but we are definitely, DEFINITELY better off long term with the trade having been done.

KVH is an albatross.

- Ben

I like these knicks. We just got killed by senile (sp?) coach, injuries and every team trying to prove that Marbs was NOT the best PG in the league (btw..he is )

Don't get me wrong, I may be eating crow after the pistons wipe up the knicks next week...but somehow, living in Manhattan, i believe in miracles...

Camby/sprewell knicks taking a number 8 team to the finals
the mets meeting the yanks in the world series
the giants pulling off superbowl wins on pure heart

I know this team can do it if they just freaking concentrate...was that net team that much more talented when it went to the finals? If you rate talent by playing defense, then yes...but these guys have to realize that it's all about defense...if not, blow the team up.

Long story short...KVH never played defense either, I've seen TT shut down Vince Carter on the final play of the game and also play good defense against the boy king lebron, so that alone gives me the confidence that the trade was worth it...

Can you imagine KVH guarding Vince or Lebron?

Also, tell me Ariza wouldn't be starting over KVH.

those that like KVH are just like me (I loved KVH), but I also loved TT and they are both giving me what I deserve...Sour Grapes.