Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by nykdunk:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Anything's possible, but did you know that Van Horn hasn't gotten more than 11 points in a game in nearly three months (that spans 18 games played for him)?

He's playing the right team then.

LOL. So true. ... Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed with the swiss cheese defense!!!

Swiss cheese D or not, somehow I don't think KVH is gonna make it to that 25/8 prediction. Maybe he'll make it to 4 and 2 though.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/16/2005 21:32:12]

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by nykdunk:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Anything's possible, but did you know that Van Horn hasn't gotten more than 11 points in a game in nearly three months (that spans 18 games played for him)?

He's playing the right team then.

LOL. So true. ... Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed with the swiss cheese defense!!!

Swiss cheese D or not, somehow I don't think KVH is gonna make it to that 25/8 prediction. Maybe he'll make it to 4 and 2 though.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/16/2005 21:32:12]

still doesn't mean he can't average 17 & 7 on another team

Posted by gunsnewing:

stop acting like you don't understand.

For the last time...the injury is the #1 reason he's in a funk. But I am 100% sure a fresh start to the year on another team will have him averaging close to what he averages EVERY year 17 & 7.

#2: Bucks need defense not offense. Mason gives then more defense.

The best you can expect from TT is 14 & 4 if he's in a new enviroment. Looks forget the numbers. KVH is just a better player. TT can't do anything well. KVH is a very good shooter and rebounder period. Does he have to be Larry Bird for us to win with him no. But he would certainly help a lot more than TT will.

You said he needed a new team to put up 17 and 7. Now it sounds like you meant to say he needed better health to put up 17 and 7. Which is it? Make up your mind

Posted by martin:

Posted by mintyfreshness33:

holy poop!!!!!!!

DID u see what marbury did, this is the thing he did his 1st year on phoenix. OMG, that was so hot.

you mean the spin? And TT with the nice finish too!!

Posted by gunsnewing:

stop acting like you don't understand.

For the last time...the injury is the #1 reason he's in a funk. But I am 100% sure a fresh start to the year on another team will have him averaging close to what he averages EVERY year 17 & 7.

#2: Bucks need defense not offense. Mason gives then more defense.

The best you can expect from TT is 14 & 4 if he's in a new enviroment. Looks forget the numbers. KVH is just a better player. TT can't do anything well. KVH is a very good shooter and rebounder period. Does he have to be Larry Bird for us to win with him no. But he would certainly help a lot more than TT will.

Guns, don't waste your time. Bonn doesn't understand because he doesn't want to. You can't argue logic under those conditions.

KVH was putting up 18 and 8 pre-injury in 30+ mpg. In 15 mpg, after injury, his numbers are halved. Somehow this comes as a surprise to people.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by gunsnewing:

stop acting like you don't understand.

For the last time...the injury is the #1 reason he's in a funk. But I am 100% sure a fresh start to the year on another team will have him averaging close to what he averages EVERY year 17 & 7.

#2: Bucks need defense not offense. Mason gives then more defense.

The best you can expect from TT is 14 & 4 if he's in a new enviroment. Looks forget the numbers. KVH is just a better player. TT can't do anything well. KVH is a very good shooter and rebounder period. Does he have to be Larry Bird for us to win with him no. But he would certainly help a lot more than TT will.

Guns, don't waste your time. Bonn doesn't understand because he doesn't want to. You can't argue logic under those conditions.

KVH was putting up 18 and 8 pre-injury in 30+ mpg. In 15 mpg, after injury, his numbers are halved. Somehow this comes as a surprise to people.

What are you talking about??? I agreed with Guns that KVH's #s would be better if he could actually stay healthy! Guns comment about his #s being better if he were on a different team was the comment that made no sense to me!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/17/2005 12:15:05]

here's a bit of useful information for you:
players do get get healthy you speak of KVH like he's some Allan Houston! You make it sound like he's injured every year. If he was then of course I wouldn't want him back. But an ankle injury is not that big a deal! He'll be ready to average around 17 & 7 next year!

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by gunsnewing:

stop acting like you don't understand.

For the last time...the injury is the #1 reason he's in a funk. But I am 100% sure a fresh start to the year on another team will have him averaging close to what he averages EVERY year 17 & 7.

#2: Bucks need defense not offense. Mason gives then more defense.

The best you can expect from TT is 14 & 4 if he's in a new enviroment. Looks forget the numbers. KVH is just a better player. TT can't do anything well. KVH is a very good shooter and rebounder period. Does he have to be Larry Bird for us to win with him no. But he would certainly help a lot more than TT will.

Guns, don't waste your time. Bonn doesn't understand because he doesn't want to. You can't argue logic under those conditions.

KVH was putting up 18 and 8 pre-injury in 30+ mpg. In 15 mpg, after injury, his numbers are halved. Somehow this comes as a surprise to people.

What are you talking about??? I agreed with Guns that KVH's #s would be better if he could actually stay healthy! Guns comment about his #s being better if he were on a different team was the comment that made no sense to me!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/17/2005 12:15:05]

here's a bit of useful information for you:
players do get get healthy you speak of KVH like he's some Allan Houston! You make it sound like he's injured every year. If he was then of course I wouldn't want him back. But an ankle injury is not that big a deal! He'll be ready to average around 17 & 7 next year!

Stop avoiding the question. We are in AGREEMENT that a healthy Van Horn would put up better #s than he's putting up now. My question was about your claim that he would be putting up better #s if he were on a different team.

Posted by gunsnewing:

I meant on the Knicks! next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he's out of it this year!

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I meant on the Knicks! next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he's out of it this year!

But then he'll give us his typical 11/5 in the playoffs, which we could get right now from Ariza as a starter anyway

exactly why i stated yesterday that he would be a piece in a rotation of Ariza, KVH & E-rob! and Ariza would play the in 4th quarter and KVH would only come in when they need a last second shot.

I would also take KVH's 11 & 5 over TT's 10 & 3 anyday.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/17/2005 12:46:46]

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I meant on the Knicks! next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he's out of it this year!

But then he'll give us his typical 11/5 in the playoffs, which we could get right now from Ariza as a starter anyway

exactly why i stated yesterday that he would be a piece in a rotation of Ariza, KVH & E-rob! and Ariza would play the in 4th quarter and KVH would only come in when they need a last second shot.

I would also take KVH's 11 & 5 over TT's 10 & 3 anyday.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/17/2005 12:46:46]

Okay; if you want to rebuild with guys whose production drops nearly 50% in the playoffs, you could go ahead and do that. I'd rather move in a different direction. If you're comparing playoff #s, TT's aren't 10 and 3--it's 13/5 with many of the games coming off the bench

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/17/2005 12:53:14]

I rememver KVH hitting a HUGE shot for the Nets against Indiana. What big shot did TT hit? How far in the playoffs did Milwalkee go?!