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Steve
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7/24/2001  1:34 PM
He is a do-nothing GM who has no understanding of the salary cap or free agency. He has loaded the Knicks with aging undesirable players with long term contracts. He must go.
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7/24/2001  1:56 PM
I guess looking at the Knicks roster, you really can't argue too much about the old, overpaid, players that have joined the Knicks since Layden started with the Knicks. You do have to wonder how much of this was Dave Chekettes doing though.
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7/24/2001  2:25 PM
I am starting to wonder myself if NY, in part (very small part), traded Ewing away to avoid what would have been a slaughter in the tabliods over the whole Atlanta strip club escapade. Layden's hands may have been tied in that one too.
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7/25/2001  1:22 AM
Layden, Grunfeld, and Checketts all contributed to this salary cap fiasco, being far over the cap with aging players. With notable exceptions such as Ewing, Jackson, and Ward Knicks have not made good draft picks. Trade wise, Oak from Chicago was an excellent trade. They would have been better holding on to him since he is stronger and more durable than Camby, although I'm a big fan of both. Acquiring Houston and Sprewell was good also. Even though I like Johnson, Rice, and Weatherspoon, they were all acquired past their prime. The Knicks could have picked up Eddie Robinson from Charlotte according to Deb Kaufman of MSG. He would received about the same amount as Spoon, but is younger, more athletic, and a better prospect. New York is a win now team according to Knicks management so they have chosen instant results rather than holding on to players. It might be time to change after last year's results and developing a younger team based on Thomas, Sprewell, and Houston.
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7/25/2001  9:24 AM
Layden, Grunfeld, and Checketts all contributed to this salary cap fiasco, being far over the cap with aging players. With notable exceptions such as Ewing, Jackson, and Ward Knicks have not made good draft picks. Trade wise, Oak from Chicago was an excellent trade. They would have been better holding on to him since he is stronger and more durable than Camby, although I'm a big fan of both. Acquiring Houston and Sprewell was good also. Even though I like Johnson, Rice, and Weatherspoon, they were all acquired past their prime. The Knicks could have picked up Eddie Robinson from Charlotte according to Deb Kaufman of MSG. He would received about the same amount as Spoon, but is younger, more athletic, and a better prospect. New York is a win now team according to Knicks management so they have chosen instant results rather than holding on to players. It might be time to change after last year's results and developing a younger team based on Thomas, Sprewell, and Houston.

I think the Camby-Oakly trade has proven its worth. If anything, wasn't it Camby who got us past Indiana to reach the finals?

I have to whole-heartedly disagree with Deb Kaufman's assesment that the Knicks could have gotten Eddit Robinson: Where is a skinny 6'9" small forward going to play in the NY lineup. After Sprewell, Rice, Thomas, Harrington, LJ get their minutes? He wanted to go to a team where he could get minutes and Chicago was the place. NY would have been the same situation as Charlotte, a winnning situation, but one with limited minutes.
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11/23/2007  11:38 PM
Can we bring him back please? (Just kidding!)
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11/24/2007  4:56 AM
Dude where the hell is eddie robinson?
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11/24/2007  8:41 AM
Isiah should never got rid of KVH he was the last legit sf the Knicks had that could actually rebound and shoot. Isiah biggest down falls getting rid of KVH and getting Marbury.
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11/24/2007  8:56 AM
Posted by Vmart:

Isiah should never got rid of KVH he was the last legit sf the Knicks had that could actually rebound and shoot. Isiah biggest down falls getting rid of KVH and getting Marbury.

I'm not going to openly endorse KVH because he had his faults as well, but that trade marked the beginning of the end for Isiah. He took a team that was playing very well and tore it apart for personal reasons.
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11/24/2007  8:59 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:

Isiah should never got rid of KVH he was the last legit sf the Knicks had that could actually rebound and shoot. Isiah biggest down falls getting rid of KVH and getting Marbury.

I'm not going to openly endorse KVH because he had his faults as well, but that trade marked the beginning of the end for Isiah. He took a team that was playing very well and tore it apart for personal reasons.

See I'm not endorsing KVH either but I find it the reason the Knicks started to suck even more than they did. See KVH for his faults played his ass off. But TT with all the talents he had was a lazy player. I found that move to be a personal move.

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11/24/2007  9:34 AM
I wonder from time to time if Isiah should have stopped after the Marbury trade instead of trying to do so much. I think if we had kept the status quo and just let Marbury be Starbury and let guys like Doleac, Kurt, and KVH get theirs that we'd had maybe been in the playoffs again under Lenny's guidance.

Should have just stopped there and given it the whole season back then. Even if it failed we'd had been in much better shape today instead of having had the pleasure of watching Jalen, Francis, Crawford, Curry, Jeffries, Jerome, Tim Thomas, Nazr and on and on down the path of seemingly worsening results with each and every attempt to trade away a mistake for another "promising" player.

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11/24/2007  11:11 AM
Why would isiahs big splash be to bring in a maxed out point guard? Ny product? Who the hell wastes their chips on getting a point guard. Why didn't he try to get tinsley who he coached, or sam cassell or someone that wasn't making max money? I guess it was hard not to bring home a native that averaged 20/8 for his career up to that point. Marbs doesn't have the agility to disect a defense and find guys open that no one else does. He's had leadership and attitude problems.

ok well after isiah got marbs what was next? Sheed? His arrogance totally screwed the knicks here.

Also his trades for malik rose and taylor were retarded. I can throw tim thomas in this too cuz he expected big things out of these guys. The risk was too high! Tim thomas has the talent to be a all-world type of player but he just doesn't care. No way this guy isn't up there with the best in the world. Taylor was an awesome scorer and was actually showing signs of greatness before he tore his acl in houston. Malik was supposed to bring that david lee mentality to the game on both ends........high ****in risks that blew up in his face! Even Jerome james. No way he shouldn't be a 20/10 player.....jerome should be a dominant force in the league but he is a slob. Big mistake by isiah......

Now with this roster, isiah made the mistake of not upgrading when he had the chance. No way does lee stay around with zach here. Jones and dickau should have been moved to get a legit small fwd.....he should have kept jordan and nichols.

His arrogance screwed him......fire him now.
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11/24/2007  11:44 AM
i rolled with the kvh trade because even though he was playing well at the time i didn’t have faith in the guy. bad history of retreating into a wallflower when pressure was on. always folded in the playoffs. i thought why can't timmy blossom here playing with steph. remember, steph had one of his balls-out mvp-like stretches when he first got here. bringing in an active young center with hops and upside in nazr seemed like a good move to me at the time too. i was definitely hopeful after that trade that we were going to be a more mobile and attacking team. i know, younger and more athletic. sigh . . . .
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11/24/2007  11:46 AM
btw look how much fun it was in the early days of uk when it was basically martin and andrew responding to each other. can’t you just see then taking turns with their one laptop . . . .


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11/24/2007  12:32 PM
See the difference is that Layden made trades that looked terrible on paper and ended up... well being terrible, Isiah makes trades that look good and then they end up being terrible.

Its the surprise factor that really gives Isiah the edge.
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11/24/2007  2:58 PM
Well, you know that Isiah. Layden was nominated the worst GM by Knicks fans. Somehow Isiah managed a way to top that. Isiah is a tireless-GM who will never settle for second best. Worst, yes. Second best, never.
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11/25/2007  8:08 AM
Posted by Solace:

Well, you know that Isiah. Layden was nominated the worst GM by Knicks fans. Somehow Isiah managed a way to top that. Isiah is a tireless-GM who will never settle for second best. Worst, yes. Second best, never.
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[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-25-2007 08:08 AM]
Layden must go.

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