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bernard
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2/9/2005  2:03 PM
Looky here. We got 3 in the top 10. Three more ex-Knicks up there too. And who knows how many future Knicks. Play our cards right, and all of the top 10 will play for or have played for the Knicks within a year or two.

Seriously, though, is there any clearer indication of why we suck so?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/050209/nbaoverpaid

Counterfeit Money Players

By Jeff Merron
Page 2

I know, I know -- putting "NBA" and "overpaid" in the same sentence is redundant. Putting the overpaid NBA list together in past seasons seemed easier, because there've usually been a handful of guys who were so "Gigli" that it was no contest. This year, though, it seems like so many are getting so much for so little.


I don't know -- I haven't done any analysis -- but this could be for two related reasons. One is that lots of long-term contracts, dished out in the flush Clinton years, are just about, but not quite, ready to run out. The second is that during the flush Clinton years, nobody was talking Moneyball, in any sport. Now, the idea of value seems to be slowly, slowly taking a hold on the NBA.


One caveat: We didn't list players who are collecting paychecks for not playing at all -- your Eddie Robinsons and Scottie Pippens. Only players who've put in some reasonable amount of playing/bench time.


The Bucks are often best served with Keith watching from the bench.
10. Keith Van Horn, Milwaukee Bucks ($14,487,000)
By far the highest-paid Buck, Van Horn chews up a quarter of the team's payroll and has only chipped in 11.3 points and 5.7 rebounds per game, when he's been healthy. Van Horn's good, but not great, and he'll be 30 by the start of the 05-06 season.


9. Jalen Rose, Toronto Raptors ($14,487,000)
After trying and trying to find some stat or metric that would get Rose off this list, I gave up. The Raptors are losers both with and without him, meaning that their highest paid player -- he makes $9 million more than any other Raptor -- is a money pit. Sixteen points, 2 assists, and three rebounds ... Isn't Rose supposed to be a star? Then I triple-checked. Here's what John Hollinger had to say in his 2004-05 Pro Basketball Forecast: "He shouldn't be starting, even on a team as desperate for offense as the Raptors." And this: "Rose's offense would be acceptable if he played any defense, but he doesn't."


That's a lot of ouches in one evaluation. Rose, 32, has come way, way down since his peak years in 2001 and 2002. But nothing like a bundle of cash to cushion your fall.


8. Tim Thomas, New York Knicks ($12,900,000)
Isiah Thomas acquired Tim from Milwaukee in the middle of last season, and it doesn't appear this was one of the key rebuilding moves the Knicks had hoped for. The 6-foot-10-inch forward muscles his way to 3.4 rebounds a game and adds 10.3 points, his worst numbers since the 1998-99 season. He's only 27, but he's a downgrade from his all-overpaid list buddy, Keith Van Horn.


7. Antonio Davis, Chicago Bulls ($12,925,000)
This is what happens when you're 36 years old and playing in your 12th NBA season: the main news item on your ESPN player page provides this skinny on your current status: "mid-back strain, virus, and ear infection." Davis has managed to play almost 24 minutes a game, but has averaged only six points and 5.6 rebounds, following a near-perfect decline-line from 2000-01. Right after that season, he inked a 5-year, $60 million deal, reaping rich rewards for his pre-millennial performances. Despite his floor presence, the Bulls are doing remarkably well.


6. Dale Davis, Golden State Warriors ($10,068,750)
Davis signed his current deal when he was at his peak ... nine years ago, when he was putting up 10 points and pulling down 10 rebounds a game. He wouldn't be making this kind of cash if not for the generosity of the Blazers, who extended his contract two years ago, for reasons only billionaires like Paul Allen can comprehend.


The highest-paid Warrior has been on a four-year slide, and, despite a recent hot streak, is usually uneffective when playing. Which doesn't happen often, unless -- like now -- the Warriors are desperate for able bodies. Davis is averaging 2.7 points and 4.2 rebounds, and shooting .388 from the field, off-the-charts bad, especially considering his career average of .531.


5. Anfernee Hardaway, New York Knicks ($14,625,000)
Penny's played only nine games since Dec. 1, hobbled most recently by an ankle injury. But even when he's on the court, for his average of 23 minutes a game he's ineffective, averaging 7 points and 1.8 assists. Here's the kicker: as his productivity declines, his salary increases.


4. Allan Houston, New York Knicks ($17,531,250)
The rich man's Dell Curry, Houston's best post-retirement move would be as an original player in the new hit reality series, "Overpaid in the Apple." It's a perfect gimmick -- a bunch of young guys (and a gal or two), with multi-multi-million take-homes, on the loose. Here's the twist: put 'em to work in Pittsburgh. Who will be the first to discover their true mediocrity? Will it be the Wall Street Boiler Room sharks? The fashionistas who design clothes for anorexic catwalkers? Or the Knicks? The tiebreaker: take a snap from Steelers center Jeff Hartings in the face of a Pats blitz. Everyone loses. And Big Ben -- who actually earned his salary -- is one of the stretcher-bearers.


3. Dikembe Mutombo, Houston Rockets ($18,760,000)
We don't like to knock Dikembe, but still. The Rockets only pay him $4.49 million, but he's also banking $14.27 million from the Nets. Meanwhile, the old man plays only 13 minutes a night, averaging four points and four rebounds a game. Not a bad deal for Houston, but that's not the point.


"Yo Spre! We're goin' to Sizzler after the game! You're buyin'!"
2. Brian Grant, Los Angeles Lakers ($13,233,434)
What a wonderful world it must be ... to play 15 minutes, score three points and grab three rebounds, and collect a cool $161,383.34 for your night's work.


Let's break that down:
$10,750 per minute
$53,800 a point


Wow.


Two positive notes: Grant plays especially well on Friday nights, when he averages 18 minutes, 5.7 points, 4 rebounds, and 0.5 assists. And he's the most efficient shooter on the Lakers.


1. Latrell Sprewell, Minnesota Timberwolves ($14,625,000)
What do you do when you're overpaid, barely make enough to feed your family, are getting old in a profession where that's not an asset, and are on the last page of your juicy contract?


After you get your foot out of your mouth, you play. It's your contract year, Latrell and you are being found out. You can put in the minutes, and you can dazzle, still. But, bottom line: 12.5 points, 2.45 rebounds, 2.2 assists. Terrible shooting. And a rapidly declining hairstyle.
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fishmike
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2/9/2005  2:13 PM
lol... good read
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2/9/2005  3:11 PM
haha... a painful, but true article
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Kwazimodal
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2/9/2005  4:12 PM
At least they will come off the books soon enough,a little longer for Houston.

Its also good news that they are saying publicly that they are trying to do away with the very old habit of getting one over the hill vet after another.

They have said alot of things they havent meant,but I cant remember them ever repudiating the quick fix moves they have made before.Ill take good news where I can get it when it comes to the Knicks these days.
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2/9/2005  5:15 PM
SIX of those ten are or have recently been on the Knicks!!!

Posted by Kwazimodal:

At least they will come off the books soon enough,a little longer for Houston.

Its also good news that they are saying publicly that they are trying to do away with the very old habit of getting one over the hill vet after another.

They have said alot of things they havent meant,but I cant remember them ever repudiating the quick fix moves they have made before.Ill take good news where I can get it when it comes to the Knicks these days.
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2/9/2005  5:20 PM
lol. Definitely a little harsh.

The reviews of Van Horn and Sprewell were a little unfair, but I'll be the first to admit, that even when KVH or Spree are at the top of their respective games, they's still overpaid.

Then again, so is 50% of the league.
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Kwazimodal
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2/9/2005  6:08 PM
Kerr listed the 5 worst teams in the NBA and the Knicks arent one of them!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDQ3MW9lBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYwNvZQ--?slug=sk-rankings020805&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Each week during the regular season, I will rank the five best teams – and the five worst teams – in the NBA.

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Team records are through Feb. 7.

THE HIGH FIVE

1. San Antonio Spurs (38-10) – Gregg Popovich will coach the All-Star game next week for the first time in his career. Can that be possible? With his record, you'd think he'd have done it four or five times by now.


2. Phoenix Suns (38-11) – The Suns won five of six road games on their recent trip and are now an NBA best 20-7 away from home.

3. Miami Heat (36-14) – With his team continuing to rule the East, Stan Van Gundy will coach the East All-Stars in Denver. How many minutes will he play Shaq? Twelve? Fifteen? Look for all Pistons and Cavaliers to play 40-plus minutes.

4. Seattle SuperSonics (32-13) – Thanks to Minnesota's inexplicable meltdown this season, the Sonics have a 9½-game lead in the Northwest Division. How long before we start talking about their magic number?

5. Sacramento Kings (30-13) – The Kings survived a tough stretch without Peja Stojakovic, but they'll need him this week. Sacramento plays Phoenix, Seattle and Dallas.


THE LOW FIVE

26. Utah Jazz (16-32) – The Jazz overtake – or is it undertake – New York for the 26th spot in our coveted Low Five.

27. Atlanta Hawks (10-37) – Good news for Atlanta sports fans: Pitchers and catchers report in a little over a week.


28. Charlotte Bobcats (10-34) – Emeka Okafor was getting plenty of consideration for an All-Star spot, but the East's coaches didn't vote him in as a reserve.


29. Golden State Warriors (13-35) – Jason Richardson has been the lone bright spot in a dismal season.


30. New Orleans Hornets (8-39) – The Hornets are 29½ games behind the Spurs. Can they catch them? I'd say the chances are about one in a million. Or, as Jim Carrey said to Lauren Holly in the movie "Dumb and Dumber," "So you're tellin' me there's a chance!"

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2/9/2005  6:22 PM
As long as the Knicks get stars or even just good young players in return, I don't mind also having the bad contracts. That was the case for Penny, who's on the list, but not for the other two. I don't mind having several more on the list if it means we're taking back those bad contracts for a player like Artest, Brand, Pierce, maybe Zach Randolph or someone else.
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2/9/2005  8:27 PM
to say that 6 are recent knicks is misleading. we only paid the kind of money houston did for mutombo, not NJ dollars, most of his paycheck. we traded spree for van horn for TT, and while that is a loss in production for not much lowering of salary, the problem isn't that we overpay too many players. it's that we can't get rid of those contracts, or turn them into better production. it'll be a waiting game to an extent, and I hope even if we do trade a few contracts for younger players, a few just coming off the books wouldn't hurt.
Hey ... a top 10 NBA list where the Knicks rule!

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