Posted by EnySpree:

The Knicks have to continue to get Sundov and Baker more minutes. That's why trading KT and Nazr makes sense. The Knicks have the depth. Besides....it's not like the Knicks are moving mountains with KT and Nazr.

Baker has the moves but he just looks like his timing and confidence is off. He made a quick spin move on the base line in the Utah game that almost made me wet my boxers......he stepped on the line but it was a sick move. Baker needs more minutes. Nazr needs less minutes....

As far as Sundov? Has anyone noticed his mobility? He's not a stiff.....but he's not a center, or a small fwd, or a power fwd.....I don't know how to read him. He has shown he could shoot with range as well as off the dribble. He has some nice post moves that are very instinctive.....problem is he hasn't translated that into numbers on the floor yet. I think Sundov is a nice young player.

Posted by NYKBocker:

fishmike - You are right. I missed that one. Herb definitely is trying to make it more Riley/JVG-ish in his scheme. I do love the defensive rotation. Marbury was playing better D the last 3 games. I think he had 2 steals in the last game.

With a more structured ball-to-the-post Nazr is definitely not capable right now. He needs to decide quickly on passes. He labors on his moves too much.

This is a good reason why Sweetney is putting up good numbers right now.

Yeah that is a nice point....I like Herb's offense better because guys are starting to understand what their job is. I think Marbs has been playing so well lately because the offense is more half court where he excells at.

Nazr clearly is not that type of player. In this type of offense you have to be smarter and have to display control and skill. Nazr is definately out of control with the skills he displays.

Posted by simrud:

I just love when guys who havent watched a game in months come out and say that Baker and Sundov should get more time.

Are you kiddin me?

Neither one belongs in the NBA. Sundov is so bad, its hard to beleave. Not only does he not do anything, he makes a bad play every time he catches the freakin ball. Same goes for Baker. They can't do ANYTHING!

For all of you who proclain Sundov can shoot, are you aware he has made liek 2 jumpers in his entire career as a Knick? Are you aware that he can't play D, rebound, pass, set a pick, or anything else?

Are you aware that Baker can't even make a layup these days? Do you notice he turns the ball over half the time? Do you realize there is a reson he has not played, and that there is a reason Sundov is gettin playin time? Its because Baker is so bad, that the horrendous Sundov is actually doing better in practice.

Sure, why don't you start them, that'll make sure we get the 1st lottery pick for sure.

Yeah I agree these guys suck. But I'm curious - how do you know that their supporters on this board "haven't watched a game in months?"

Posted by Marv:

Posted by simrud:

I just love when guys who havent watched a game in months come out and say that Baker and Sundov should get more time.

Are you kiddin me?

Neither one belongs in the NBA. Sundov is so bad, its hard to beleave. Not only does he not do anything, he makes a bad play every time he catches the freakin ball. Same goes for Baker. They can't do ANYTHING!

For all of you who proclain Sundov can shoot, are you aware he has made liek 2 jumpers in his entire career as a Knick? Are you aware that he can't play D, rebound, pass, set a pick, or anything else?

Are you aware that Baker can't even make a layup these days? Do you notice he turns the ball over half the time? Do you realize there is a reson he has not played, and that there is a reason Sundov is gettin playin time? Its because Baker is so bad, that the horrendous Sundov is actually doing better in practice.

Sure, why don't you start them, that'll make sure we get the 1st lottery pick for sure.

Yeah I agree these guys suck. But I'm curious - how do you know that their supporters on this board "haven't watched a game in months?"

I'm telling you. Just trying to start trouble.

I tell you man as soon as you say something off the wall guys always gotta come with a crazy insult. It's stupid cuz I'm always using game situations in my posts, not that it matters.

I just wanna see Sundov and Baker play.....they both have shown skill.

As far as trading KT and NAZR.....the Knicks have to make the decision whether they are gonna just rebuild or they are gonna still try to add pieces.

Either way.....if Sundov or Baker can show they can play then it would be like picking a player off waivers. Knicks need all the help they can get.

Posted by diderotn:

You and Fish said it best....Herb is definitely using a different style of play, and the result can be seen in Kurt shot reduction. the other night he collected at least 14 boards, and that should have been his only role with this team from the get go. Lenny and others forced this dude to believe that his game is nice, but it isn't. He is a freaking role player and until he is forced to believe that, he will never concentrate the little bit that he can offer to the betterment of the team. He should be playing D and crashing the board. That is why our D has been so bad, because Kurt was taking too many bad shots and when he misses, the other beats us on the fast break. Again, with the many jump shooters that we have on this team, we don't need a PF that can't pass/postup/command double team/and most of all keep opposing PF from scoring....

As for those who claim that Sundov can't play, when was the last time this dude was played 10 or more minutes consistantly????? We can't just claim that a player can't play until he is given ample amount of minutes to make mistakes and make corrections. Vinny has a pretty good game, but how can he show what he can do when he doesn't know when he will be on the court????? Comeon, for once, can you all please be realistic...

No they can't be realistic, because they are too stuck in their grumpy-old-men routine. They know whats going on in practice and they know what players (who barely play) are capable of doing.

Then they'll say because they barely play that mean x,y, & z. It means something, but we are not so stacked on big man talent that we can discount anyone on our squad over 6-10.