Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by tkf:

I agree with fish, and I will say this not to disrespect anyone, because I respect all of you guys, but when I hear we traded guys like lampe, vujanic and the pick that turned out to be snyder and we traded away our future, that sounds like the most assinine thing I have heard in years,it is almost a very weak attempt to support an argument. What philly did in trading Hughes and Stackhouse was sacraficing the future for the "now", what boston did in trading Joe johnson was sacraficing the future for "now", you see to sacrafice you have to give up something of value. Do you actually call vujanic, lampe and snyder right now of any substantial value?

That argument has run its course IMO, marbury for us was the much greater talent and to get a player like that for what we gave up was a coup..

I understand that IT tried to win the division this year, but he also left him self with some young talent and room to shift gears as he is doing now.. ariza, sweets, crawford and marbury gives us talent, youth and trading chips that we never had before, for that I don't understand why Berman is crying so much as fish put it...

Im not killing him for the Marbury trade, although I will stay with my original thought that the trade brought us into a quagmire and so far it has proven true.

I would rather the team had Josh Smith and Al Jefferson than Marbury, but that doesnt matter now.

But its speculation to say we would've gotten both Al-Jeff and Smith. Where did the second pick come from?

If I could do anything in hindsight, it would've been to use Ward and Dyess and Kurt to get Sheed and maybe Terry from Atlanta rather than the Marbury trade. Sheed would've given a versatile big to build around and if you could've added Jamal and Ariza it would've been a very interesting team. But that's in the past.

And, yes, Berman is a bitter fool. These newspaper writers need to seperate what Zeke says to sell tickets and what Zeke is actually trying to do with the team. He can't come out and publish his actual plan in the Post, because it would never happen. There has to be some secrecy, no other team is going to help you win on purpose (not counting the occassional Atlanta fire sale).

Posted by fishmike:

Briggs... why does building the future require you spending ZERO additional money?

That's a great question that I've been dying to know the answer to. Are teams that spent more money (the Lakers are the first that come to mind) over the same time span Isiah was here also not rebuilding even if they're getting young talented players who can play a key part in their future? Are teams that have decreased their payroll and have no good young players rebuilding? Rebuilding is all about decreasing payroll now?

Nobody cares about the money.

BRIGGS is simply saying that if a team spends this much money, they are doing it to be good, not to rebuild. If that's hard to understand, then I don't know if futher argument is even possible.

IT just feeds you guys what you want to hear. We are playin OK, we are gonna win the division and go to the playoffs, and then who knows...

We suck, and now we are apparently rebuilding, give me a freakin break.

IT thinks NY fans are idiots who can't see right through him, and that is what is insulting.

Don't f@cking tell me this all part of some kind of master plan when clearly most of your moves have backfired and the team is a total disgrace.