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MaTT4281
Posts: 33797 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #538 USA |
2/6/2005 9:44 AM
Not really Anti-Kurt, just more Pro-Sweetney.
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PresIke
Posts: 27660 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
2/6/2005 4:36 PM
Posted by Vmart: Based upon what evidence can you convince anyone that he "sucks and there is no way around it"? I think some of you should just admit that your view is not based strongly on sufficient evidence other than "he sucks" which comes across like some kind of personal grudge. As Oldfan has indicated I think some of you just hate Kurt Thomas, for whatever reason. Do we not recall the days when he was called Psycho Kurt? I never said the guy was exactly the same as Oak, but to say he is a terrible defender is a rather assinine statement. Statistics can tell us a lot of things, but they don't tell the entire story. Kevin Garnett, who is considered one of the best defenders in the NBA is "giving up" a 50% FG against his opponents. How can that be? I wonder if some of you Al-Kurta members got your information from the writer of KnickerBlogger.com who loves statistics, but relies on them a bit much when supporting some of his arguments. Here are links to 2 articles he wrote regarding PF defenders, one of which is specifically about Kurt Thomas. Dirk, The Daring Defender? - http://www.knickerblogger.net/archive/2005_01_23_kb.htm My Post vs. NY Post - http://www.knickerblogger.net/archive/2004_12_26_kb.htm While 82games.com is a fantastic site, we can probe deeper and see that these statistics can lie (like the famous book "How to Lie With Statistics"). A lot of these statistics are strongly based upon coaching and one's teamates' ability to defend. Duncan (who the author refers as the "best defender") may be a great defender, but the Spurs are also run like a machine. The entire team is excellent defensively. Bruce Bowen and Ginobli are very strong perimeter defenders preventing Duncan from having to constantly come off of his man, and Malik Rose is also good. Instead Kurt is surrounded by HORRIBLE defenders making him look weaker, as I mentioned in the initial post. Marbury and Jamal allow an incredible amount of lane penetration from their opponents. This forces the Knicks' fowards and centers to come off their men and help, which is one of the reasons he and Nazr foul so much and allow their men open looks...leading to higher FG percentages. If you ACTUALLY WATCH THE GAMES, as has been commented on by several professional observers during games (i.e. Mike Breen who can be critical of players as well), Kurt is a strong one on one defender most of the time. Is he athletic? No. But he is physical. I don't see how you can argue that he is "soft." Where is your evidence to support this point? Have watched the Knicks over the years, man? Remember his play against Alonzo Mourning in the 1999 Miami series? If you also read my post carefully you would have noticed that I mentioned one of the reasons his jump shooting hurts the team is because we don't have a strong inside presence. Your point about us not having "Shaq" is exactly the same point I made. But that doesn't mean he sucks. He is a very good defensive rebounder, and on a team designed to play off his strengths he would be of great help. Who EVER said he was a "Superstar?" I never indicated that at any point. I even said that I don't think he is that great, suggesting that he is a role player who has had to play a larger one due to the teams' deficiencies. Also, based on your point about throwing any "scrub" in there, we could just put Bruno Sondov in for Kurt and he would do just as well, correct? Do you really believe your own words then? Again, Bruno or any other "scrub" might put up better numbers as you have suggested (you said 10 and 7) but that doesn't mean they are helping the team win? This is why statistics are a flawed way to judge players. Case in point is JYD. He doesn't put up big numbers, but when he is on the floor you can see a difference out there. [Edited by - presike on 02/06/2005 16:37:32] [Edited by - presike on 02/06/2005 16:38:19] [Edited by - presike on 02/06/2005 16:41:04] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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Michael6835
Posts: 21319 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/12/2004 Member: #828 |
2/6/2005 10:37 PM
Excellent Post PresIke
I agree with this assessment 100%. M
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