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raven
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2/2/2005  4:22 AM
All of you guys who are whinning and wanting to trade marb and burn the house.

overreacting all the time.

One day it's : "wow, he's unguardable".The next day is
"he sucks, we should trade him".

You, all fans that are very knowledgeable in this sport, please tell me, what a guy like nash would do with that team.

Tell me and ambarrass yourself that we'd be winning more games with nash "the new best pg in the nba of the year". If you missed the Tony parker's bandwagon, you still have time to jump in this one.

Please tell me who would catch his passes over the rim to dunk them.
Who would cover his porous d when he gets his *** burnt a zillion times a week.

You're acting like children, unaware of the fact that this team was a work in progress, and stunningly realizing that we had no chance to win anything this year.

We're on the way up. Those who think we still going backward don't have a clue about what is going on here.

Winning % means nothing this year, and only what IT will do in the offseason will tell us where we are headed to.

AUTOADVERT
Clean
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2/2/2005  4:55 AM
Glad to see someone else have not turned the easy rout and start bad mouthing steph for things that are beyond his control.
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2/2/2005  6:53 AM
thanx, it needed to be said.
Bonn1997
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2/2/2005  7:09 AM
This is a great thread that I'll bookmark and bring up again when the Marbury critics get out of control!
mythfaze
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2/2/2005  8:25 AM
...Or, perhaps some of us haven't wanted him or liked him from the beginning. True, we have no chance of winning this year. But you really think we have a chance next year? The year after?

It's clear we're not going to win this year. Thomas said it himself - at best we're about a .500 team. And there is a lot of overreacting now, because we're doing worse now than we should be, and that will even out a bit, given time.

Problem is, where do you go from here? You still need to completely turn around the team. All the players we're talking about that need to be dumped - all moves Thomas made (with the exception of Houston). He's put together a team with no defense and no heart. It's a work in progress - but these are all choices our "leader" made. He created a team that needs to be changed, and we're just saying we need to give him time.

I'm skeptical - what is he going to do this summer? Bring in some more big contracts that will expire in a couple years so we can talk about light at the end of the tunnel? Perhaps another big name that can score 40 points once every 3 nights, but who gives you nothing else when his shot is off? Use the MLE on someone he doesn't intend to play? The only two defensive players we have are here by accident - Thomas was here to begin with, JYD was a throw in. (Ariza is on the rise though, that was a good move).

We saw what wins Championships last year - defense. The defensive minded Spurs are at the top of the league now - having climbed over the Suns and Sonics who use offense only.

I really wouldn't mind losing so much if there was an effort every night, if every game was a fight. If we were trying to play defense, diving for loose balls, being tough. But it's not like that at all.

All I know is that Marbury = shoot first, pass second. Don't give me this crap about how he has no one to pass to - a good point guard makes his teammates better, which he certainly does not do. He can't play defense at all. When the game is on the line, when we need a play, you know exactly what will happen. He can't create anything - so he'll just drive. Sometimes he'll pull up for a jump shot and hit it. Most of the time he'll miss the layup or complain about fouls that weren't called after the ball is in the other teams hands and they're headed down court. And his attitude is terrible. He has a history of having a bad attitude, that's undenyable. If nothing else, claiming to be the best point in the league is a sign something is wrong.
mythfaze
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2/2/2005  8:27 AM
All that being said - no, I don't want Nash, and I don't think he would be a savior. I think he would be better than Marbury in this situation, because he does make his teammates better and he would use everyones offensive gifts to their full potential, but we would not be this amazing team with him at the helm. I want defense.
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2/2/2005  9:32 AM
I think he would be better than Marbury in this situation, because he does make his teammates better and he would use everyones offensive gifts to their full potential
just out of curiosity... which "gifts" would Nash be helping our guys take full advantage of?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
BRIGGS
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2/2/2005  9:34 AM
whoever says Marbury scks is out of their mind. If you say I dont believe he can lead this team, that his style of play is not condusive to winning big, that we need to rebuild this team from front to back and they way to start the process is by trading our top tier assets for picks and young players, while reducing payroll is a valid point.

A chief strtegy is any business decision to pullback is to dump as much payroll as possible. What one might think is selling short, usually end sup making a ton of sense.


If you believe in any way that the Knicks didnt think they would win 45 games or better after spending 250MM in the last year after putting up 29-24 with the andersen's and mutumbos of the world, you are out of your mind You dont SPEND that type of money to bring back worse returns, and yes there are unforseen variables[although we can discount Allan houston] but you gamble a lot when you bet on commodities that have been proven to be faulty, unreliable, or not up to par.

The Knicks made mistakes by alienating Shanden Andersen and then just letting him go while paying him 24mm, by filling their bench with junk and spending the MLE on baker when they knew they had no back up PG and Allan was an iffy at best situation. They have rushed into things at every corner, from the coach to trades.

This team quit last night, when a team just quits, you have MASSIVE problems. I felt it wasnt the coach, I never felt it was the coach and i still dont believe its the coach. The team was poorly constructed, has no chemistry and no identity. We just put players together inchorently. Thats not whining, thats the truth:)
RIP Crushalot😞
simrud
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2/2/2005  9:39 AM
Marbury doesnt suck, he has great one on one talents.

However he is a team cancer.

His attitude destroys teams. Everywehre he goes, team do even worse then there worst expectation. It takes him about a year to turn everything into ruin.

Every team he goes to hits rock bottom.

He is a jerk who doesnt play any defense, or even try, hates on his teammates, freezes people out of the offense, and just simply doesnt know how to play NBA ball.

Put him into an AND1 mixtape tour where he can rail on whoever he wants and raise TV ratings with his drama, or something like that, and he will do great. Put Craw in there too, he will the best dribbler they got, and you don't have to actually do something as stupid as making your shot after a sick dribble.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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2/2/2005  10:55 AM
Briggie, where's this $275 mil that you keep talking about? The Knicks took on a net gain of $118 mil in the Marbury trade and $64 mil in the Crawford trade. The other trades have been approximately even in contracts added versus subtracted. Other teams have actually added more payroll over the 14 month period that Isiah has been here than the Knicks have added.
BRIGGS
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2/2/2005  11:04 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Briggie, where's this $275 mil that you keep talking about? The Knicks took on a net gain of $118 mil in the Marbury trade and $64 mil in the Crawford trade. The other trades have been approximately even in contracts added versus subtracted. Other teams have actually added more payroll over the 14 month period that Isiah has been here than the Knicks have added.

the actual figure is about 200mm

119 from the marbury trade
65 from the Craw trade
8 mm from the Nazr and TT trade
8 for vin baker
-----increased total
200mm$
RIP Crushalot😞
Bonn1997
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2/2/2005  11:58 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Briggie, where's this $275 mil that you keep talking about? The Knicks took on a net gain of $118 mil in the Marbury trade and $64 mil in the Crawford trade. The other trades have been approximately even in contracts added versus subtracted. Other teams have actually added more payroll over the 14 month period that Isiah has been here than the Knicks have added.

the actual figure is about 200mm

119 from the marbury trade
65 from the Craw trade
8 mm from the Nazr and TT trade
8 for vin baker
-----increased total
200mm$
Well then why do you keep saying 275 if you know it's not true?
LongIslandKnicksFan
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2/2/2005  3:06 PM
BRIGGS could have been guessing? As estimation perhaps? No need to come down on him lol
fishmike
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2/2/2005  3:17 PM
well, its important for the integrity of the board that we remind Briggs of any mistake at any time he may have made. In fact that goes for everyone.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Solace
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2/2/2005  3:20 PM
Posted by fishmike:

well, its important for the integrity of the board that we remind Briggs of any mistake at any time he may have made. In fact that goes for everyone.

Speaking of mistakes, I think you once made a typo on MSG, Fish. I'm just airing out the dirty laundry for all to see, so they know never to trust your spelling, again.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
MaTT4281
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2/2/2005  3:24 PM
Posted by Solace:

Speaking of mistakes, I think you once made a typo on MSG, Fish. I'm just airing out the dirty laundry for all to see, so they know never to trust your spelling, again.
LMAO
TMS
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2/2/2005  3:36 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by fishmike:

well, its important for the integrity of the board that we remind Briggs of any mistake at any time he may have made. In fact that goes for everyone.

Speaking of mistakes, I think you once made a typo on MSG, Fish. I'm just airing out the dirty laundry for all to see, so they know never to trust your spelling, again.

i don't believe you...please provide a link next time Solace, or else your comments are worthless.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Marv
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2/2/2005  3:39 PM
i knew it. Losing has infected our cyber-lockeroom. NOW the b*tchiness is gonna fly!
Solace
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2/2/2005  3:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by fishmike:

well, its important for the integrity of the board that we remind Briggs of any mistake at any time he may have made. In fact that goes for everyone.

Speaking of mistakes, I think you once made a typo on MSG, Fish. I'm just airing out the dirty laundry for all to see, so they know never to trust your spelling, again.

i don't believe you...please provide a link next time Solace, or else your comments are worthless.

I would, but MSG_Bitch now has that board to auto-delete posts that are older than 4 months. Therefore, you'll just have to take my word for it.

I never err, just ask Bonn.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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2/2/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by fishmike:

well, its important for the integrity of the board that we remind Briggs of any mistake at any time he may have made. In fact that goes for everyone.

Speaking of mistakes, I think you once made a typo on MSG, Fish. I'm just airing out the dirty laundry for all to see, so they know never to trust your spelling, again.

i don't believe you...please provide a link next time Solace, or else your comments are worthless.

I would, but MSG_Bitch now has that board to auto-delete posts that are older than 4 months. Therefore, you'll just have to take my word for it.

I never err, just ask Bonn.

where is islesfan? he will have a link to the post, i'm sure of it.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
You make me laugh.

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