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Trade Rumor: Rice for Shandon Anderson
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Andrew
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8/10/2001  9:47 AM
As far as sacrificing our cap space in 2005. Before this off-season I would have been really against this trade for that very reason. I think part of the reason why Rice will go to Houston is that he will come off their cap when McDyess, Duncun and others are free agents. However, free agent movement amoungst the big name free agents was non existent, and teams with cap space really did not benefit. (Seattle, Detroit, Houston)

I welcome this trade.
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8/10/2001  9:54 AM
i think it would be alright to get foyle... but the thing is that rice is not that horrible. rice can still shoot. if they play the big three, then they can be great. they don't even need the pg, if they can just get foyle, that'd be good enough. sprewell can play point. realistically, all he has to do is start handling the ball and stop being such a ball hog, and taking less shots, and give more to the 100 million dollar man
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8/10/2001  10:11 AM
One nice thing about Shandon is that he was concidered the best defensive player on the Rockets. Takes a little pressure off of Spree always having to defend the best 2 or 3 on the opposition all the time.
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8/10/2001  10:32 AM

The Big Ticket:



Guys, do I have some things to say about the last few posts...



However, Anderson, who was extremely close to a contract with the Rockets Wednesday, now feels that he may get more money and playing time by agreeing to play elsewhere. Remember, it was Knicks president Scott Layden who drafted Anderson with the Jazz's second-round pick in 1996.


Are we going to be the fools to offer Anderson the more money and playing time by agreeing to play in NY?!


The Knicks, who've been wanting to move both Rice and Ward for some time, would get starters at point guard and center in Eisley and Foyle, respectively. The move would likely allow the Knicks to move Marcus Camby to power forward and give them balanced roster they've coveted.


Sorry, Van Dummy will not start Eisley at PG, nor Foyle at Center. PLEASE. The guy is only 6'10". He'd start KT at Center before Foyle. You KNOW how Jeff hates new players.



And, Dallas owner Mark Cuban would finally have found a new home for Eisley. Cavs coach John Lucas told the Akron Beacon Journal that Cuban has been trying to get the Cavs to take Eisley in a trade, but Lucas has refused due to Eisley's contract, which has five years remaining. Cuban was seeking a three-way deal in which Eisley would go to the Cavs, Chris Gatling from the Cavs to Miami in a sign-and-trade and Hardaway from the Heat to the Mavericks in a sign-and-trade. It looks like Cuban could have found a way to get it done without the Cavs.


Why do we need Eisley's 5 years left? ALSO - damnit, Cuban is using us again as his PAWNS.


As far as sacrificing our cap space in 2005. Before this off-season I would have been really against this trade for that very reason. I think part of the reason why Rice will go to Houston is that he will come off their cap when McDyess, Duncun and others are free agents. However, free agent movement amoungst the big name free agents was non existent, and teams with cap space really did not benefit. (Seattle, Detroit, Houston)
I welcome this trade.


Yeah, those teams suck, that's why no free agents wanted to go to Seattle, Detroit, and Houston had to retain their own FA's, that's why they weren't players. If NY had capspace, alot of FA's would want to play here...


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8/10/2001  10:59 AM
As far as sacrificing our cap space in 2005. Before this off-season I would have been really against this trade for that very reason. I think part of the reason why Rice will go to Houston is that he will come off their cap when McDyess, Duncun and others are free agents. However, free agent movement amoungst the big name free agents was non existent, and teams with cap space really did not benefit. (Seattle, Detroit, Houston)

I welcome this trade.
One thing I like about this trade is if it does go down, we'll actually have some pieces on our roster to make more trades in the future instead of tons of overpaid, injured, old players. Oh, I forgot, the role players will still be overpaid. My mistake. But at least they will be tradeable. Hmm.
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8/10/2001  11:01 AM
Maybe Layden is going to start going trade crazy and send Spree and Jax for Payton....wait, Payton didn't ever play for Utah. Nevermind.
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8/10/2001  11:08 AM
Okay, after debating this Ward+Rice trade for Shannon+Howie+Foyle, I'd say, "Let's do it"

Only if we get picks and cash.

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8/10/2001  11:12 AM
Picks and cash?

What, do you own Cablevision stock?
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8/10/2001  11:15 AM
Picks and cash?

What, do you own Cablevision stock?
Fine, just picks...
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8/10/2001  11:16 AM
Picks and cash?

What, do you own Cablevision stock?
Fine, just picks...
Although, I really just want Donnell Harvey back.
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8/10/2001  12:26 PM
i think wut people are forgetting is that by 2005 were not gonna have much cap to work with since 100 million dollar man, allan houston, will be paid nearly 20 mil that year.
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8/10/2001  12:41 PM
Houston for Odom. By 20005 Darius Miles is gonna be a budding superstar L.A. is gonna be looking for a scorer to go besides him.

-Sorry Houston
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8/10/2001  12:42 PM
whoa I went a little too deep into the future *2005
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8/10/2001  1:25 PM
Houston for Odom. By 2005 Darius Miles is gonna be a budding superstar L.A. is gonna be looking for a scorer to go besides him.

-Sorry Houston
Houston for Odom? In a second...
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8/10/2001  2:15 PM
Caseloads,
I was up on this thing last night (I'm on the West Coast), so I didn't get to read your posts until today. Can I offer you some reasons why we did this (or want to do this):

1) Ward has bad knees a bad contract and is getting up there in age.
2) Rice has a bad heel, a bad contract and is getting up there in age.
3) Foyle is a great defender and is a legit center. Zo is 6'10" also, but is a legit center. I'm not saying he is Zo, I'm just saying he's built like a center. We're just spoiled in the NBA because of Shaq, Mutumbo and other 7ftrs. But that doesn't mean a 6'10" guy can't play center. They can.
4) Eisley is younger and better than Ward.
5) Anderson is a better role player than Rice would be. Rice could not adjust to coming off the bench.
6) In a sense we trade 2 guys for 3 role players.

Now I know you're upset that we may overpay for Eisley and Anderson, but they won't have $9 million contracts like Rice. Eisley, Anderson, and Foyle will all have reasonable contracts in comparison to Rice and Ward. So Layden actually will help us in that area.

As far as Cap space to sign free agents is concerned. The NBA system has made it almost impossible for big market/big money teams like the Knicks to just spend on available free-agents. We will only be able to get marquee guys through sign and trades. So I'm one of those guys who says "f---" the cap. As long as we can compete and have good players than the cap doesn't matter. Same goes with the luxury tax. Those are things that Dolan has to worry about.

Now, with this new roster our 11th man is Othella! And as far as I'm concerned if Othella can't even crack the 2nd team, then we've got a talented roster. Because of the talent, though, Van Gundy will be forced to play 9 maybe even 10 deep. And to me, that's a good thing.

If this trade goes down we will like it. I'm sure we will.
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8/10/2001  2:38 PM
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think maybe we *needed* to move some talent on our team, so we didn't have so many huge ego's demanding the ball. I think of the Lakers before they traded Jones and Campbell, and I have to say that they got screwed, those guys were all stars. Then I have to say to myself, maybe there was TOO MUCH talent on that team, too many players wanting the ball, no one was *the man* or 8the men* in LA's case. The point is yeah, maybe we are giving up more talented players for role players, but then again, maybe that is exactly what we need...
Layden can kiss my As*, Bring Back GRUNDFIELD!
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8/10/2001  2:46 PM
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think maybe we *needed* to move some talent on our team, so we didn't have so many huge ego's demanding the ball.

Definately agree. A team needs a couple of stars (Spree, Houston, maybe Camby) and then good role players to fill out the team. LA had Derrick Fisher, Fox, Horry. Even though the salaries will stay the same, we won't have that big chunck locked into 1 person, giving us at least a little more flexability.
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8/10/2001  2:54 PM
Okay, after debating this Ward+Rice trade for Shannon+Howie+Foyle, I'd say, "Let's do it"

Only if we get picks and cash.
Guys, I said I'm up for it, just I'd like to see something in the way of a 1st round pick coming our way too (or Donnell Harvey). And if we could get rid of Freddy Weiss in this deal, sweet!
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8/10/2001  3:08 PM
I'm not crazy about the deal and here is why:

1. We still r structurally flawed. Spree at the 3; where he doens't like to play.

2. Rice has a year under his belt and will improve in the new zone defense.

3. I'm not crazy about Anderson or Eisley even though he's better than Ward (I'd prefer Strickland).

4. Were paying a lot for a long time for bench players which will hurt us w/ the cap.

5. We then traded Ewing n Ward for these guys.

6. I'd like to trade Houston for a big man; Odom trade sounds great even though LA won't do it


If the trade happened I wouldn't bitch n moan b/c there are some positives that you guys have already mentioned, but I'm not estatic about it.
Come strong or not at all!
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8/10/2001  4:52 PM
This is a setup trade this allows us to get another SF and PG. I think the Knicks are goin for a blockbuster trade next. I think we will get Rasheed Wallace in a 3 or 4 team trade. Look for Sprewell and Thomas and other to be dealt. Knicks are going to be a run and gun team like Milwalkee.


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Trade Rumor: Rice for Shandon Anderson

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