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martin
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8/9/2001  11:35 PM
This has been reported on several different boards and was recently been posted by Clutch himself on the Rockets board (ClutchCity):

I'll just say I got this yesterday and was told it was for Glen Rice and his fat contract. Keep in mind Scott Layden runs the show in New York, and he drafted Shandon in Utah in 1996.

Others have it as Rice and Ward for a backup center, a SF and a throw-in point guard.
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8/9/2001  11:44 PM
It might end up being Kelvin Cato (a huge dissapointment in Houston) and Shandon for Rice and Othella. Cato has a huge contract. Othella was always a Rudy T fav.
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8/9/2001  11:58 PM
The upate is that Ward and Rice would depart...and Foyle, Eisley and Shandon Anderson would come to NY.
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8/10/2001  12:19 AM
The upate is that Ward and Rice would depart...and Foyle, Eisley and Shandon Anderson would come to NY.


how would we get anderson (houston) foyle (golden state) ane eisley (dallas)?? 4 way trade?
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8/10/2001  12:21 AM
Lineup:
Camby/Foyle(6th in blks)
Thomas/Spoon
Spree/Anderson/spoon
Houston/Anderson
Jax/Eisley

I like that lineup!
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8/10/2001  12:23 AM
how would we get anderson (houston) foyle (golden state) ane eisley (dallas)?? 4 way trade?

Not sure about the Eisley and Foyle postions of the trade. The Shandon Anderson part of the trade looks more probable.
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8/10/2001  12:42 AM
What's up knick fans?
The way this one was posted on RealGM is as follows:

First:
Ward to Golden State for Foyle.

Second:
Rice to Houston for Anderson and somehow also get Eisley from Dallas. If that's true, then Houston has to give something back to Dallas. I think it would work if it was Walt Williams.
The trade would be:
Rice to Houston
Eisley to New York
Anderson to New York
Williams to Dallas.

This could be it from all the stuff I'm reading.
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8/10/2001  1:19 AM
after hearing these trade rumors.. im wondering if they will really help us. We get a sf/sg, someone else to draw media attention by complaining about not getting enough minutes. A pg who's contract out weighs his value so he will draw a lot of griping from media and fans. Then we get another pf who will be played at c. If we trade rice we MUST get a true center in return. I would rather end up with cato. BTW i've been looking around but havent been able to find any indepth scouting reports on foyle or cato. Does anyone have any??? What other true centers are available out there that would be a good fit???
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8/10/2001  1:40 AM
killacross,
Foyle only plays Center, not PF. He was 6th in the league in blocks, had more per game than Camby and in a lot less minutes. He's a big 250lbs, not a slender one. He's a decent rebounder also-upped his #s to 7 rebounds per game last year as a back-up. He's not a starting center, but is a reliable back-up and would be excellent on this team. Oh, and by the way, he's an excellent humanitarian. I know some people don't care, but if you've ever read anything about this guy, he's like Mutumbo when it comes to giving back to the community.

I think Anderson would be content to back-up Spree and Houston. He's familiar with the role unlike Rice. I'm not a big Eisley fan, and his contract is as bad as some others, it's just that it goes on forever (2007!!!). I think we'd be better if we made the trade.
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8/10/2001  2:38 AM
I like the idea of getting Foyle on our team. Golden State does have too many inside players with Dampier, Jackson (althought he's a FA), Fortson, Jamison, Blount and Murphy (maybe a 3). He's only 26 and it would give us a much needed shot-blocker.

Now Eisley has been linked with Miami for weeks now so I'm not sure if he'll end up coming here. Strickland has said he'd come here if we traded away either Ward or Jackson. So why don't the Knicks just trade Ward for Foyle, sign Strickland with the 1.3mill exception and keep Rice instead of trading him for Anderson?
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8/10/2001  4:56 AM
Don't you guys see it as sort of ironic how Houston sent Hakeem to Toronto for the picks but they are still gonna wind up with their man ( Rice ) now thats good GM work there. I still believe that if this trade is made though it will help us. Does anyone know were this will put us cap wise?. I just hope that we do the Ward for Foyle trade, Im gonna miss his hard nosed football style but Foyle can play hard in the paint greatly improving our team. I just hope we don't aquire Eisley he's sorta like ward in a way. If this trade eases the cap situation maybe we can offer more to Strickland and maybe move Mark Jackson and his contract.
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8/10/2001  7:07 AM
Wow, this just got confirmed in the NY Post. There's a link to it on the main page.
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8/10/2001  8:32 AM
Here some direct links about the players in questions:

Anderson: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/statistics?statsId=3081

Foyle: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/statistics?statsId=3178
Contract: $4,400,000 $4,400,000 $4,400,000

Eisley: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/statistics?statsId=2653
contract: $4,781,250 $5,312,500 $5,843,750 $6,375,000 $6,906,250 $7,437,500 (team option)
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8/10/2001  8:48 AM
I know that some of you don’t like this trade, and maybe some of you are even going to miss ward. We get size in return for minimal talent, and dump some salary. Rice has been a bust, he isn’t the player he once was, it’s rather sad. But you got to like this trade, it’s the first step layden has take towards becoming a real NBA GM. The guy is a dumbass, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while…
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8/10/2001  9:04 AM
I know that some of you don’t like this trade, and maybe some of you are even going to miss ward. We get size in return for minimal talent, and dump some salary. Rice has been a bust, he isn’t the player he once was, it’s rather sad. But you got to like this trade, it’s the first step layden has take towards becoming a real NBA GM. The guy is a dumbass, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while…
Man, this trade is making me sick to my stomach. It's basically b/c of cap space issues. Right now we're lined up to be near the cap by 2005... if we get Shannon Anderson and Eisley (who really is not better than Ward), then we have no hope of relief. Plus, Eisley is 28. And has 6 years left on his contact! Shannon Anderson, getting almost 6 mil per year? Not worth that kind of money for a back up. The key here is though, Ward's knees are bad. Rice's heel is busted. Hmm, we're shipping out defective guys (STARTERS) for Role Players, who are getting paid like starters. HMM. I wanted that cap space, as Ward and Rice are off the books in 3 years. Now if we shipped out Grandmama for Shannon and Howie, then maybe. I don't like this deal for Shannon as he's gonna get overpaid and Howie is overpaid, and I want the KNICKS to get some picks from this damnit, and I want Dallas to give us back Donnell Harvey damnit. Maybe Cuban will throw some cash our way...
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8/10/2001  9:25 AM
Andrew - what does ESPN INsider have to say about all of this Rice/Ward trade?
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8/10/2001  9:28 AM
The thing that sucks about this trade is that we are sacrificing "Our Future" for the present (shannon anderson, foyle, howie eisley). We won't have the necessary salary cap space in 2004/2005 to sign "Our Future." You all know the name of that player.

Lamar "Our Future" Odom.
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8/10/2001  9:28 AM
I know that some of you don’t like this trade, and maybe some of you are even going to miss ward. We get size in return for minimal talent, and dump some salary. Rice has been a bust, he isn’t the player he once was, it’s rather sad. But you got to like this trade, it’s the first step layden has take towards becoming a real NBA GM. The guy is a dumbass, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while…
Man, this trade is making me sick to my stomach. It's basically b/c of cap space issues. Right now we're lined up to be near the cap by 2005... if we get Shannon Anderson and Eisley (who really is not better than Ward), then we have no hope of relief. Plus, Eisley is 28. And has 6 years left on his contact! Shannon Anderson, getting almost 6 mil per year? Not worth that kind of money for a back up. The key here is though, Ward's knees are bad. Rice's heel is busted. Hmm, we're shipping out defective guys (STARTERS) for Role Players, who are getting paid like starters. HMM. I wanted that cap space, as Ward and Rice are off the books in 3 years. Now if we shipped out Grandmama for Shannon and Howie, then maybe. I don't like this deal for Shannon as he's gonna get overpaid and Howie is overpaid, and I want the KNICKS to get some picks from this damnit, and I want Dallas to give us back Donnell Harvey damnit. Maybe Cuban will throw some cash our way...
Case,
I don't know exactly what you think we've got here, but let me tell you something, it isn't much. Do you think that there were other GM's out there, calling Layden at all hours of the night about ward and rice?! Give me a break. Ward is not good, and make a boatload of money. Rice is old, tired and doesn't even have his shooting touch anymore. I was at game five against the raptors, and these guess were invisable. Don't kid yourself, we are LUCKY, I repeat, LUCKY to find someone who was interested in them.
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8/10/2001  9:41 AM
This is an excellent idea. I agree totally!
I like the idea of getting Foyle on our team. Golden State does have too many inside players with Dampier, Jackson (althought he's a FA), Fortson, Jamison, Blount and Murphy (maybe a 3). He's only 26 and it would give us a much needed shot-blocker.

Now Eisley has been linked with Miami for weeks now so I'm not sure if he'll end up coming here. Strickland has said he'd come here if we traded away either Ward or Jackson. So why don't the Knicks just trade Ward for Foyle, sign Strickland with the 1.3mill exception and keep Rice instead of trading him for Anderson?
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8/10/2001  9:42 AM
Andrew - what does ESPN INsider have to say about all of this Rice/Ward trade?

You have to remember that Insider is mostly alot of recapping other news sources articles. They did add a little insight.

Admit it, you've missed them. Those massive, complicated, four-team sign-and-trade deals that have all the accountants in the NBA scratching their heads, trying to do the math.

Last year it was a four-way deal with Patrick Ewing that we dubbed the King Kong trade, the biggest in NBA history. Another whopper looks like it might be in the pipe.

The trade has the Knicks' landing the Rockets' Shandon Anderson (in a sign-and-trade), the Warriors' Adonal Foyle and the Mavs' Howard Eisley. The Knicks would ship Glen Rice to the Rockets and Charlie Ward to the Warriors, the New York Post reported. The Mavs would use the trade exception they pick up to land Heat free-agent Tim Hardaway in a sign-and-trade.

Presumably, the Heat would use their trade exception to do a similar thing, possibly in a sign-and-trade involving Anthony Mason.

According to the Post, everyone is awaiting the approval of Knicks boss James Dolan. In other words, don't bet the farm on this one going down. However there are signs that that it at least could happen.

The Houston Chronicle is reporting that the Rockets have received a series of sign-and-trade offers for Anderson brokered by his agent Dan Fegan, including offers from the Knicks, sources close to the talks said Thursday.

According to the Chronicle, no offer currently on the table has moved the Rockets from their priority of signing Anderson, the sources said, and Anderson has not ruled out accepting the Rockets' current offer.

However, Anderson, who was extremely close to a contract with the Rockets Wednesday, now feels that he may get more money and playing time by agreeing to play elsewhere. Remember, it was Knicks president Scott Layden who drafted Anderson with the Jazz's second-round pick in 1996.

The Knicks, who've been wanting to move both Rice and Ward for some time, would get starters at point guard and center in Eisley and Foyle, respectively. The move would likely allow the Knicks to move Marcus Camby to power forward and give them balanced roster they've coveted.

And, Dallas owner Mark Cuban would finally have found a new home for Eisley. Cavs coach John Lucas told the Akron Beacon Journal that Cuban has been trying to get the Cavs to take Eisley in a trade, but Lucas has refused due to Eisley's contract, which has five years remaining. Cuban was seeking a three-way deal in which Eisley would go to the Cavs, Chris Gatling from the Cavs to Miami in a sign-and-trade and Hardaway from the Heat to the Mavericks in a sign-and-trade. It looks like Cuban could have found a way to get it done without the Cavs
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