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2/1/2005  2:53 PM
ESPN.com - NBA - NBA draft: Top 10 international players

By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
Projecting top international draft prospects these days creates about as much
consensus as a Bush-Kerry debate.
Just mentioning names like Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Darko Milicic can start a
shouting match. Critics have come out of the woodwork claiming the foreign
invasion is a joke, and so far most of the young international players the NBA
has drafted recently haven't been able to silence the haters.
Even Insider readers have turned on them to a large extent. Here's an e-mail
from Rex in Idaho that I received this morning:
"Love the draft coverage but please, when you get through ranking all of the
American kids, can you just skip the international players this year? Admit
it, they suck. I can't help but think that this rise in their popularity in
the draft directly coincides with your decision several years ago to go to
Serbia to scout these kids. Since then you've been all over the world. While
the stories are a great read ... where are the basketball players? You've been
the first guy to tell the world about players like Manu Ginobili, Marko Jaric,
Skita, Darko, Mickael Pietrus, Maciej Lampe, Carlos Delfino and Pavel
Podkolzine and none of them have done a thing. Maybe if you quit writing about
them, NBA teams will quit drafting them. Just a thought."
It's an interesting theory. But I don't buy it. When I go overseas, I follow NBA
scouts and write what they see and think, not the other way around. There are a
plethora of explanations out there why each of these players are struggling.
Their age, lack of experience and, to a large extent, available minutes in the
rotation are more plausible explanations.

Milicic is the poster child for skepticism about NBA internationals.
Does Darko not play because he stinks, or because he's too young and has Ben
Wallace, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess ahead of him on the Pistons' depth
chart? Even Larry Brown, Darko's biggest critic, would point to the latter.
The truth is, international players are just like everyone else. Some will get
better with age and minutes. Some will be busts. That happens in every draft,
regardless of a player's nationality.
Still, the backlash is duly noted.
We're pressing on anyway, in part, because NBA scouts and GMs still are paying
attention to prospects overseas, and a record number could end up being drafted
in the first round this year. Scouts claim this might be the deepest pool of
international talent ever (in part because of the record number of prospects
that pulled out of the draft last year) and plan to take full advantage.
Teams are more convinced than ever that with the style of play in the NBA
changing, big, skilled players who can shoot the basketball are going to be in
high demand.
This year's international crop offers a lot of interesting options, with all of
the same pitfalls that have plagued the past few classes. Several of the top
prospects are too young and still unproven. The older prospects are getting
minutes, but have other flaws that have to be addressed.
There is no perfect prospect here, and the parity is evident. These rankings
seem to be changing by the week. Insider consulted five NBA scouts and two GMs
who specialize in international scouting to rank the players. Few of them agreed
on an order, and draft ranges were all over the place.
Several top young prospects – guys like Ersan Ilyasova, Yi Jianlin, Sergio
Rodriguez, Oleksiy Pecherov, Peja Samardziski and Andrea Bargnani – were not
included because evidence suggests they won't be in the draft this year.
With that long preamble out of the way, here's Insider's first look at the Top
10 international prospects this year ...


Martynas Andriuskevicius, F/C, Lithuania
The facts: 19-years-old, 7-foot-3, 240 pounds; 2 ppg, 1.4 rpg in Euroleague
The skinny: Andriuskevicius declared for the 2004 draft but withdrew when he
couldn't get a top-five selection commitment from a team. The Arvydas Sabonis
protégé has seen some real minutes in the Euroleague this season with Sabonis
injured. Still, scouts consider him a few years away from being an impact player
in the NBA.

Andriuskevicius, right, soon might use his deadly three-pointer against
the likes of the Lakers' Slava Medvedenko (left).
So why does he top the list of international prospects? Because potential still
matters, and at 7-3, Andriuskevicius is oozing with it. He has great hands, is a
fantastic passer and doesn't shy away from contact despite his thin frame. He's
got great quickness for his size and is capable of playing both inside and
outside. Right now, Andriuskevicius is much more comfortable playing as a
skilled four, but as his body matures; he could turn into a Zydrunas Ilgauskas
type center.
Projecting where he goes in the draft is tough. Last year, the Suns flirted with
taking him at No. 7 but passed when they learned he had to spend another year in
Lithuania. Most international scouts see him going anywhere from No. 3 to No. 10
in this year's draft. The team that drafts him will have to be patient, but his
upside might be worth the risk.

Nemanja Aleksandrov, SF, Serbia
The facts: 18, 6-10, 210 pounds; 5.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg
The skinny: Aleksandrov is the most-hyped international prospect since Darko.
That has both helped and hurt his draft stock over the past year. Like Darko,
Aleksandrov's skill set is amazing. But is he a basketball player? Scouts have
been wondering after a lackluster performance at the Reebok Eurocamp and
Under-18 Championships in Zaragoza this summer.
He is, without a doubt, one of the most-skilled big men you'll ever find at his
age. He has 3-point range, good athleticism, a great handle and great feet in
the paint. He's quick and a real matchup problem on offense.
The issue with Aleksandrov is heart. He often coasts in games, doesn't always
defend and will disappear for large chunks of time. He seems to be able to turn
it on and off at will, but that's a scary attribute in a top prospect like this.

Scouts are now all over the board on his draft stock. Some believe he's going to
have to stay in Europe and excel for several years before he would be seriously
considered for a top pick by the NBA. Others believe he's so talented and the
competition in Europe is so far beneath him that he doesn't play hard. They
believe he'll come on once he's challenged in the NBA.
Given his body type, lack of fire and performance this year, the scouts Insider
surveyed leaned toward the former rather than the latter. Teams have cooled to
drafting inexperienced, but fundamentally-sound, international teenagers so high
in the draft. If he's fine going anywhere from No. 8 to No. 15 and sitting on
the bench for the next few years, he should stay in the draft. If he still wants
to be a top-five pick and an impact player in the NBA, he needs to move to a
better team and prove his skill against the top players in Europe the next few
years.

Fran Vasquez, PF, Spain
The facts: 22, 6-9, 230 pounds; 8.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 bpg in Euroleague
The skinny: Several GMs who have made their way overseas in the past month have
come back raving about Vasquez.
He's had a number of dominating games in Euroleague play, including a 17-point,
11-rebound effort versus powerhouse CSKA Moscow and an impressive 19-point,
7-rebound showing against the German Opel Skyliners. He's doing all of this
while averaging just 20 mpg.
Vasquez has excellent moves around the basket, a knack for crashing the
offensive boards and a nice 15-foot jump shot. His athleticism, for a European
big man, is excellent. Scouts unanimously agree that of all the European
prospects in this year's draft, Vasquez is clearly the most polished.
It's hard to imagine a scenario where he's not in the lottery. Andriuskevicius,
Aleksandrov and Tiago Splitter might have a little more upside because of their
size, but Vasquez looks like he has the talent to come in and immediately help
an NBA team. The fact he already has a set, reasonable buyout also bodes well
for him. Look for him to fall anywhere between slots 7 and 14 in the draft.

Tiago Splitter, PF, Brazil
The facts: 20, 6-10, 240 pounds; 8.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg in Euroleague
The skinny: After blowing it at a private Chicago draft camp workout last
summer, it looked like Splitter was going to fall off the draft map. Then a
funny thing happened. He went back to Europe, started getting 18 mpg and is now
putting up great numbers for a 19-year-old (he just turned 20 this month) on one
of Europe's deepest teams.
Suddenly, all those NBA scouts who said Splitter was overrated are changing
their tune. Splitter has an NBA body that he has made stronger over the past few
months. Most scouts agree his defense is ahead of his offense right now. He's an
excellent rebounder and shot blocker. He does have a nice handle and a good, but
not a great, jumper. He's very long and runs the floor well.
Apparently, scouts claim his athleticism and coordination are also improving.
He's fearless and doesn't mind contact in the paint. Despite his youth, scouts
claim Splitter plays like he's 25.
Nevertheless, they're still all over the board with Splitter. Some have him
rated as high as a mid-lottery pick. Others still have him in the 20s. If
Splitter continues to play and produce in Spain this year, expect him to land
somewhere in the late lottery.

Marko Tomas, SG, Croatia
The facts: 19, 6-8, 210 pounds; 20.2 ppg, 2.6 apg
The skinny: Tomas is the hottest international prospect on the board right now.
He is putting up huge numbers for KK Zagreb and is drawing raves from just about
every scout who's taken the trip to Zagreb to watch him play.
Scouts love his aggressiveness, athleticism and size in the backcourt. Tomas has
even played some point for Zagreb this year because of injuries, and he has
excelled there. Scouts believe his handle is good enough for him to be a
point-forward type player in the NBA.
The Croatian media already are calling him the next Drazen Petrovic. That's
totally unfair. But at 19, Tomas certainly has been impressive. The majority of
the scouts Insider talked to this week have him rated ahead of Spain's Rudy
Fernandez and claim he'll fall anywhere from 15 to 25 in the draft.

Fernandez (right), guarding Dwyane Wade in the 2004 Olympics, needs to add
some muscle.

Rudy Fernandez, SG, Spain
The facts: 19, 6-5, 185 pounds; 10.3 ppg in ULEB
The skinny: Fernandez looked awesome playing for the Spanish national team in
the Olympics and has continued to play well this season, though he's leveled off
a bit.
Fernandez has a lot of what it takes to be a good NBA guard. He has athleticism,
ball handling, shooting touch (with NBA 3-point range) and active defense. His
ability to play both the one and the two increases his value. He has a great
vertical, good enough in fact that scouts claim he may be the best young dunker
in Europe.
While he plays with grit and aggressiveness, strength and size are big issues.
Fernandez needs to spend some time in the weight room or stronger guards are
going to post him up all day. Others question his size, claiming he's closer to
6-4, and his seeming unwillingness to play the point.
Fernandez already has declared for this year's draft. This is a weak draft for
two guards, and Fernandez is near or at the top of many GMs' lists, though Tomas
has passed him on several boards. Expect his draft range to be anywhere from 15
to 25.
Uros Tripkovic, G, Serbia
The facts:18, 6-5, 185 pounds; 13.2 ppg in 27 mpg in Adriatic League
The skinny: The combo guard has burst onto the scene this season, now that he's
playing big minutes for Partizan in both the Adriatic and Euroleague.
He's had some monster games in the Adriatic league, including a 33-point
performance against Marko Tomas' team. Tripkovic recently had a 24-point
breakout game versus Bologna in the Euroleague.
Tripkovic is a very good prospect. He's an excellent ball handler, has great
range on his 3-point shot and is very athletic. Like most of the top guards on
the list, he has point-guard skills despite his size. While scouts say he has to
get stronger to compete in the league (see the Fernandez comments) his strong
play against top competition has scouts drooling.
Of all the players on this list, Tripkovic is the most likely to stay out of the
draft this year. He has yet to hire an agent and, according to scouts, has a
pretty big buyout that likely would keep him from coming to the NBA next year.
Still, with his stellar play of late, he's going to be the hot name with
mid-to-late first-round potential if he declares.

Johan Petro, C, France
The facts:19, 7-0, 260 pounds; 4.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg in Euroleague
The skinny: Petro is an athletic big man who has intrigued scouts the past
several years. Unfortunately, he's struggled to live up to his potential in
France, causing his draft stock to fluctuate all over the place.
Petro's biggest asset is a thick, NBA body. He has solid rebounding abilities,
range out to about 10 feet, and plays like a traditional center. Petro scores
almost all of his points in the paint.
Unfortunately, his great abilities don't always translate into game-time
production. He's still learning to play the game. That would be fine if he had a
great motor, but just about every scout agrees he doesn't always play hard. If
he was more active, he'd probably average double what he does right now.
Unfortunately, he might not be that type of player.
A number of scouts pulled Petro aside this summer at the Eurocamp in Italy and
told him what to work on and to increase his intensity. So far, they only see it
occasionally. A 13-point performance this week against Euroleague powerhouse
CSKA Moscow was the best we've seen him all year.
As far as draft stock goes, scouts are all over the place on him. They love his
size, body and potential. On potential, he's a top-10 pick. But his skills have
been slow to develop, meaning he's much closer to an 18-to-30 pick if he
declares this year.

Vladimir Veremeenko, F, Belarus
The facts: 20, 6-9, 220 pounds; 14 ppg, 7.4 rpg in FIBA Europe League
The skinny: Veremeenko is slowly gaining momentum this season after an
impressive performance last summer at the Reebok Eurocamp. For years, Veremeenko
was the classic European tweener. He wasn't quite big enough or strong enough to
play the four, and his feet weren't quick enough to guard threes.
That has changed this year. Veremeenko has added enough muscle to defend the
four position. On offense, he's a matchup problem. He has excellent perimeter
skills and is a fundamentally-sound, good, but not great, athlete.
The bottom line: Veremeenko doesn't have one skill or physical attribute that
makes him a top prospect, but he has a great feel for the game. He doesn't do
anything to turn your head when he's on the court, but at the end of the game,
he'll have filled the stat sheet and led his team to victory.
Today, he's a late first-rounder. He'll likely stay there. But he could be a
bargain for whoever drafts him.

Roko Ukic, PG, Croatia
The facts:20, 6-5, 185 pounds; 17.1 ppg, 3.8 apg
The skinny: He's a big kid, but he's all point guard. Along with Spain's Sergio
Rodriguez, he's the best young point guard in Europe right now.
Teams love his energy, ball handling, quickness, work ethic and athleticism for
a point guard that size. He has a very unorthodox, herky-jerky type of game.
He's great in the transition game, not quite as hot in the half-court set. His
game right now is about being able to penetrate and dish. If his perimeter shot
ever came around, he'd rocket up the board. Right now he's still hanging out in
the late first round.
Best of the Rest: Kosta Perovic, F/C, Serbia; Costas Vassiliadis, SG, Greece;
Edu Hernandez-Sonseca, C, Spain; Mile Ilic, C, Serbia; Axel Hervelle, PF,
Belgium; Mickael Gelebale, SG, France; Ivan Koljevic, PG, Serbia; Marcin Gortat,
C, Poland; Pavel Mroz, C, Poland; Milan Majstorovic, F, Serbia; Erazem Lorbek,
Slovenia; Angelo Gigli, F, Italy; Stefano Mancinelli, F, Italy; Drago Pasalic,
F, Croatia; Uros Slokar, Slovenia; Nikolaos Zissis, G, Greece; Marcelo Huertas,
PG, Brazil; Ender Arslan, PG, Turkey; Zhu Fangyu, China
Future prospects: Ersan Ilyasova, F, Turkey; Yi Jianlin, F, China; Sergio
Rodriguez, PG, Spain, Oleksiy Pecherov, F, Ukraine; Peja Samardziski, C, Serbia;
Andrea Bargnani, F, Italy; Thabo Sefolosha, SG, Switzerland; Marko Belinelli,
SG, Italy; Semih Erden, C, Turkey;Vasily Zavoruev, SG, Russia; Yaroslav Korolev,
F, Russia; Damir Omerhodzic, F, Croatia; Luka Bogdanovic, F, Serbia; Damjan
Rudez, F, Croatia; Dusan Sakota, SF, Greece; Roman Gumenyuk, F/C, Ukraine; Marko
Lecic, F, Serbia; Milos Teodosic, PG, Serbia; Cenk Akyol, Turkey; Yotam
Halperin, G, Israel; Dimitri Soklov, Russia.
Chad Ford writes a weekly NBA draft column for ESPN Insider.
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2/1/2005  2:56 PM
By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
Every year less than a handful of college freshmen bolt and come to the NBA with
extremely mixed success. With the influx of high school players coming straight
to the NBA, scouts say that most of the guys who really don't want to play in
college just avoid the process.
"I think the reason that you don't see a lot of college freshmen declaring is
that they actually want the college experience," one scout said. "Most of the
kids who could be first-rounders could've been first rounders after their senior
year in high school as well. They made the choice to get an education and work
on their game at this level. That's why very few of them leave after just one
year."
The kids who do leave after one collegiate season usually fall into one of three
categories. They either wanted to declare after their senior season of high
school but weren't projected to go high enough in the draft (like Dajuan Wagner,
Zach Randolph, Kris Humphries, DerMarr Johnson, Trevor Ariza), had trouble
remaining eligible for collegiate play (like Jamal Crawford and Lamar Odom), or
they're kids who wanted to go to school but an unbelievable freshman season or
tournament performance put them so high in the lottery that they would have been
crazy not to make the jump (see Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Luol Deng, Corey
Maggette, Rodney White and Eddie Griffin).
A look at the group of freshmen above will reveal that while a few have found
instant success, most of them struggled for years before achieving NBA success.
Some of them (Johnson, White, Griffin) have watched their careers fizzle.
There have never been more than three freshmen taken in the first round of an
NBA draft. A survey of scouts identified only five players whom they felt had a
chance to be ready for the first round this year.
Here's a quick look at five freshman the scouts will be watching this season.

Marvin Williams, F, North Carolina
Williams will just need to find a position in the NBA.
The facts: 6-foot-9, 230 pounds; 10.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg on 50 percent shooting.
The skinny: Last year Williams flirted with the NBA draft for good reason.
Scouts told Insider last summer that Williams was a lock for the lottery and
could have went in the top five of the 2004 draft. Insider ranked Williams third
in our preseason draft rankings, and he has improved his draft stock this year.
He is a serious contender for the top pick in the draft, especially since
Pittsburgh's Chris Taft continues to disappoint.
Williams is ranked that high for a good reason. Williams is off to a stellar
start this year on one of the best teams in the country. Scouts who watched the
Tar Heels beat up Georgia Tech on Wednesday all came away raving about Williams'
14-point performance. If he were starting for a shallower team, there's very
little question that Williams would be leading the freshmen in scoring and
rebounding.
Williams is an unbelievable specimen. He has a great NBA body, top-notch
athleticism and the ability to play just about anywhere on the court. He's got
one of the most developed inside-outside games of any prospect in the draft. He
played point forward for his high school team for much of the year but was also
the team's best rebounder, shot blocker and low-post scorer. His ability to fit
into one of the most talented programs in the country and play within coach Roy
Williams' system is another major plus.
While he's a solid outside shooter, he still needs to extend his range at the
next level. Multi-dimensional guys are great, but eventually he'll have to find
a position. Rodney White looked like a similar prospect three years ago, but
never found a comfortable position in the pros.
Still, those are only mild complaints. Given his skill, size, versatility and
production, it's hard to believe Williams will slip out of the top three come
draft time -- if he declares. While Williams wouldn't mind turning pro, his
parents are pushing him to stay in school one more year. We might not know
before the deadline what he's going to do. Williams passed up millions last year
to play at North Carolina. Who's to say he won't do it again?

Rudy Gay, SF, UConn
The facts: 6-9, 220 pounds; 10.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg on 42 percent shooting.
The skinny: At the start of the season, scouts were split as to whom was the
better prospect, Williams or Gay. While scouts believe Williams has been better
so far, Gay, too, has been impressive this year, averaging similar numbers to
Williams on an equally deep UConn team.
He has great size for a small forward. He is an above-average athlete with
serious hops. He's also deceptively strong. He does just about everything well.
He can slash to the basket, pull up for the mid-range jumper, beat up a defender
in the post and make the perfect pass. If his ball handling was just a little
bit better, there wouldn't be anything to question. Scouts also claim he's a
great kid with a tireless work ethic.

Hairston, center, might not want to pin his hopes on being an '05 lottery
pick.
Gay, unlike most of his peers, never seriously considered going pro last season,
and the early word out of Storrs is that he'll stay at UConn at least one more
season. If that happens, Gay will likely be a contender for the No. 1 overall
pick in the 2006 draft.

Malik Hairston, SG/SF, Oregon
The facts: 6-6, 200 pounds; 12.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg on 52 percent shooting.
The skinny: Hairston was another top prep prospect that flirted with going pro
last season. He's a heady point forward with good athleticism and leaping
ability. Though he isn't the quickest player in the world, he uses his
basketball IQ to beat opponents.
He plays a little better inside than he does on the perimeter right now, though
his three-point shot is improving. Some scouts compare him to Andre Iguodala.
Most scouts believe that Hairston will declare for the draft this year. He
really wanted to go to the NBA straight from high school and has given
indications that he'll leave Oregon if he's guaranteed a pick in the lottery.
That's a stretch right now. While Hairston is probably a lock for the first
round, he might need another year before a team would commit to him that high.

Daniel Gibson, PG, Texas
The facts: 6-foot-2, 190 pounds; 12.7 ppg, 4.5 apg on 40 percent shooting.
The skinny: This class has a lot of interesting point-guard prospects, but the
best of the group is Gibson. He has just about everything you could ask for in a
point guard. He's an excellent athlete, very quick and has good size for the
position. He has the ability to score from the perimeter or by attacking the
basket, and he's great in the open court. He has excellent floor vision and
never lets his scoring get in the way of getting his teammates involved.
That said, Gibson isn't ready -- yet. He's been thrown into the deep end of the
pool in his freshman year and he's been both great and awful. He's still
turnover prone and makes too many mistakes right now to go pro. If he did, he'd
probably slip into the late first round or early second round given the depth at
the point-guard position. But with another year under his belt, he has the
chance to be a lottery pick.

Randolph Morris, C, Kentucky
The facts: 6-11, 270 pounds; 9.2 ppg, 4.4 rpg on 51 percent shooting.
The skinny: Morris played on the same AAU team with Dwight Howard and Josh
Smith. He, too, flirted with going pro last year, but chose Kentucky at the last
minute.
So far, he's had mixed success there. He had 25 points versus Campbell and 14
points and nine rebounds versus Georgia State. But he's also prone to stinkers
like the three- point, five-rebound showing against Kansas last weekend.
He's a heady, mature big man with a great feel for the game. He's got a nice
array of moves around the basket and a pretty nice jumper from inside 10 feet.
He's got a good frame that scouts believe will become stronger when he gets in a
regular NBA workout routine.
However, there are a lot of scouts who are questioning his toughness right now.
He's been just an average rebounder for his size and doesn't demand the ball the
way a player of his skill should. With the draft so bare of big men, the chances
are that Randolph would be drafted in the first round if he declared. However,
with his talent, he has the chance to be a lottery pick if he stays in school
another year or two.
Best of the Rest: Jordan Farmar, PG, UCLA; Jawann McClellan, SG, Arizona; Juan
Diego Palacios, SF, Louisville; LaMarcus Aldridge, F/C, Texas; Rajon Rondo, PG,
Kentucky; Jeff Green, F, Georgetown; Ronald Steele, PG, Alabama; D.J. White, F,
Indiana; Richard Roby, SG, Colorado; Darius Washington Jr., G, Memphis; Justin
Cerasoli, PG, Seton Hall; Gabriel Pruitt, PG, USC
Draft Cards

Is Bogut (right) really the best 2005 draft prospect, as one scout claims?
Is Bogut the clear-cut No. 1?: Is Utah big man Andrew Bogut really the
hands-down favorite to be the No. 1 pick in the NBA draft? That's the word that
has spread like wildfire since a national Web site quoted an unnamed Western
Conference player personnel director saying "I can't even tell you there is a
close No. 2 is right now."
While there's no question that Bogut has rocketed up the charts this year and is
a lock for the lottery, I haven't come across one scout or GM who honestly
believes he'll be a top-three pick, let alone No. 1 overall. There is one
qualifier: Bogut has a chance to be the top pick if all of the top underclassmen
like Chris Paul, Marvin Williams, Chris Taft and Josh Boone decide to stay in
school this year.
Why the skepticism? While Bogut's numbers are as impressive as anyone in college
basketball, every scout I talked to claims that Bogut's lack of athleticism will
keep him from being a superstar in the league. The guy he gets compared to the
most is Vlade Divac. While Divac was a hell of an NBA player, most teams are
looking for more with the No. 1 overall pick.
Vasquez emerging on NBA radar: Several GMs who have made their way over overseas
in the past month have all come back raving about Spain's Fran Vasquez. Now that
he's finally hired an agent, Marc Cornstein, you can expect that draft buzz to
start getting louder.
Insider got its hands on a great tape of Vasquez this week. The game was
Vasquez's best of the season, a 17-point, 11-rebound effort versus Euroleague
powerhouse CSKA Moscow. Playing against some of the best big men in Europe
including Hawks' second-round pick Chris Andersen, Vasquez dominated.
In the game, he showed excellent moves around the basket, a knack for crashing
the offensive boards and a nice 15-foot jump shot. He's not afraid to take that
if his defender doesn't close out on him.
His athleticism, for a European big man, is excellent. Of all the European
prospects I've seen this year, Vasquez is clearly the most polished. While he
still needs to get stronger to play in the NBA, based on his ability and his
experience, he might very well be the first European player taken in the draft
this year.
Chad Ford writes a weekly NBA draft column for ESPN Insider.
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2/1/2005  2:58 PM
By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
Any given sophomore class is usually paydirt for NBA scouts.
Very few players leave after their freshman year, meaning the class is mostly
intact. And, with two years of college ball under their belts, the really
talented sophomores are usually ready to make the jump to the NBA and make an
impact right away.
This year, the top four sophomore players in the country could all be looking at
the lottery if they declare. The top two – Wake Forest's Chris Paul and
Pittsburgh's Chris Taft – will compete for the top pick in the draft.
Here's a quick look at 10 sophomores whom scouts will be watching this season.
Also see: Updated Top 5 by position

Chris Paul, PG, Wake Forest
The facts: 6-feet, 170 pounds; 14.3 ppg, 6.5 apg on 45 percent shooting
The skinny: The last player under 6-8 to be drafted as the No. 1 overall pick
was Allen Iverson in 1996. Before him, you have to go all the way back to 1981
when the Mavs drafted Mark Aguirre.

Paul could become an NBA draft rarity, a first overall pick who stands
under 6-8.
Despite the lack of historical precedent, the majority of the scouts and GMs
Insider surveyed this week believe that Paul has the inside track for the No. 1
pick in the draft.
Scouts believe that he is the best point-guard prospect to come into the NBA
since Jason Kidd. Not some of them. Everyone Insider talked to. It's easy to
understand why scouts absolutely love him. He is T.J. Ford with a jumper. He's
lightning quick, has unbelievable court vision, is a superb decision maker and
shoots the lights out from the field and the 3-point line. He pushes the ball
relentlessly on offense and already is one of the best penetrators in the game.
His defense is top-notch as well. Teams wish Paul was stronger, but given his
age, they believe that will come.
With that said, Paul got off to a so-so start for Wake before really turning it
on the past few weeks. Paul is averaging 18.2 ppg and 8.2 apg in his last five
games.
Paul continues to claim that he's returning to Wake for his junior season,
regardless of what the draft buzz is surrounding him. However, if his hometown
Bobcats get the first pick in the draft and let him know he's their choice – he
may have a tough time saying no.

Chris Taft, PF, Pittsburgh
The facts: 6-10, 230 pounds; 13.5 ppg, 7 rpg on 54 percent shooting
The skinny: Taft has the rare combination of size, athleticism, strength and
power that NBA scouts covet in a good power forward. And unlike many players who
possess those abilities, Taft prefers to score with his back to the basket. His
footwork is sound, he's patient in the paint and always working for a good shot.


Taft
Taft, too, has enjoyed his share of hype this summer. And he has struggled a bit
to live up to it. Despite his superior strength and athleticism, he's been just
an average rebounder and shot blocker this season.
Several NBA scouts told Insider recently that they were unimpressed with Taft
this season.
"I think he has a bad case of NBA-itis," one NBA scout said. "He just looks like
he's going through the motions. Last year he had something to prove. This year,
he seems like he's just trying not to get hurt."
Another scout said that he's concerned that Taft has put on some bad weight,
which might be hurting his athleticism and explosiveness. Despite the hand
wringing, everyone still concedes that the chances of Taft falling out of the
top five if he declares are slim. There's a dearth of athletic big men in
college basketball at the moment. When one comes along, very few teams are
willing to pass that up.

Josh Boone, PF/C, UConn
The facts: 6-10, 240 pounds; 17.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 3.7 bpg on 64 percent shooting
The skinny: No one has seen his stock soar more this year than Boone. He showed
flashes of being a special player last season during UConn's championship run.
But this year, he's taken his game to an elite level that few college big men
ever reach.

Boone
Boone has all the tools to be a great big man in the pros. He runs the floor,
blocks shots, rebounds on both ends, plays the game with great energy and is
starting to figure out how to finish around the basket on the offensive end.
Scouts also claim that he's a great person – the epitome of a team player. Teams
feel like he is long enough to play center on a running team, but better suited
as a power forward in a more traditional half-court offense.
"I love him," one scout gushed. "He's one of those rare players that doesn't
need the ball to make an impact. High-character big kids with his athleticism
rarely fail."
Most of the scouts Insider talked to claim that Boone is a lock for the top 10
if he comes out, with several claiming that he's now ranked higher on their
draft boards than Taft.
The question is whether Boone will actually come out. Like Emeka Okafor, he's on
a three-year track for graduation, which has some scouts believing he'll stay in
school another year.

Andrew Bogut, PF/C, Utah
The facts: 6-10, 240 pounds; 20 ppg, 11.8 rpg on 62 percent shooting
The skinny: Bogut is back in favor with NBA scouts.
The Australian burst onto the scene at the World Junior Championships in Greece
in 2003, when he led Australia to a gold medal over the Americans (and averaged
26.3 ppg and 17 rpg). At the time, some scouts predicted he'd be a lock for the
lottery. However, a good, but not great, freshman season at Utah caused his
stock to slide a bit. Bogut actually wanted to turn pro last summer, but when
the Ute staff did some research, they discovered no team was serious about
taking him in the first round anymore.
That has changed. Bogut was great for Australia in the Olympics. He scored 22
points and grabbed 18 rebounds in a victory over Team USA. Most of that time Tim
Duncan was guarding him.
Bogut does a little bit of everything. He's an excellent, physical rebounder
with nice hands. He's a tremendous passer for a big. He's very difficult to
guard because of his ability to score in both the high and low post. Overall, he
just has an excellent feel for the game.
He's not as athletic as scouts would like, but one NBA executive sees
similarities between Bogut and one highly successful, unathletic NBA big man.
"He's a young Vlade Divac," the exec said. "He passes like him, shoots like him,
is slow like him. He's tailor-made for the NBA. I'd be stunned is he goes any
later than No. 12 (overall) in the draft."

Ronnie Brewer, G, Arkansas
The facts: 6-7, 200 pounds; 16.5 ppg, 3.6 apg, 3.1 spg on 54 percent shooting
The skinny: Brewer is another player who is rocketing up the charts.
Some scouts believe that Brewer has the tools to be a point guard in the pros.
That makes him an incredibly sexy prospect at 6-foot-7. His excellent
athleticism, long arms and ball handling skills have drawn comparisons to
Marquis Daniels and John Salmons.
However, Brewer plays with an aggressiveness that often surpasses what Daniels
or Salmons did at the collegiate level. He is an excellent defender using his
long arms to swipe away passes in the lane.
The only question scouts really have about Brewer is his outside shot. Despite
the fact that he's shooting a red-hot 54 percent from the field and 46 percent
from 3-point range, scouts have uniformly complained about his shooting
mechanics. That concern extends all the way to the free-throw line where he
shoots just 60 percent from the charity stripe.
Right now he's looked at as mid-to-late first-round pick.

J.R. Giddens, SG, Kansas
The facts: 6-5, 200 pounds; 11.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg on 45 percent shooting
The skinny: Giddens has watched his NBA draft stock take a hit the past month.
Several NBA scouts who've watched him play this year say they haven't been
impressed.
"He's a great athlete," one NBA scout said. "And he can really knock down the
3-point shot. But he has absolutely no in-between game. If he's not dunking or
launching a 3, he can't score."
Said another scout. "He only looks like a player when he's open. He doesn't know
how to clear space. I also have no faith that he can stay healthy."
In many ways, the knocks on Giddens sound eerily similar to what some scouts
said about high school phenom J.R. Smith last year. Scouts value two guards who
can create their own shot and get to the line as much or more than guards who
have unlimited range.
With that shooting stroke and his superior athleticism, there's a place in the
league for Giddens. But if he declares this year, it might not be until the late
first round. Giddens probably needs another year or two at Kansas refining his
in-between game and defense if he's going to have a legit shot at the lottery.

Adam Morrison, SF, Gonzaga
The facts: 6-foot-8, 215 pounds; 19.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg on 52 percent shooting
The skinny: The dude looks like he should hosting a Star Trek convention. But
when he gets on the court, there are very few people that can light it up the
way Morrison can.
Like every white player that can hit a jump shot, he typically gets the Larry
Bird comparisons whenever you bring up his name. In some ways, it's more
justified with this kid. He has a confidence about his game that is palpable.

Morrison (left) plays with fire, as Missouri associate head coach Melvin
Watkins discovered.
His ability to consistently make tough shots with a hand in face might be his
most appealing aspect. His knowledge of the game, his passing ability, his silky
smooth jumper and his fierce competitiveness all are Bird-esque.
So are his heavy legs and lack of athleticism. Foot speed and lateral quickness
also hurt his stock somewhat. Even more troubling for some scouts is Morrison's
struggle with diabetes. Several times he's had to take insulin shots during
games. Other players have gone on to have successful careers with the disease,
but it's certainly a big question mark if you're thinking about handing him a
three-year guaranteed contract.
Scouts are all over the board on where he'd go if he declared for the draft.
Most think he'll stay at least one more year at Gonzaga. Suffice to say that
some scouts see him as a lottery pick, others think he's a high second-rounder.
I doubt that will change much. He's an "eye-of-the-beholder" type player. But on
the right team, he could be very good.

Sean Banks, SF, Memphis
The facts: 6-8, 210 pounds; 16.3 ppg, 6.8 rpg on 37 percent shooting
The skinny: On talent, Banks is a lottery pick. But the way he conducts himself
within the team and off the court have scouts seriously questioning whether he
has the mental makeup to be a good NBA player.
Several weeks ago, head coach John Calipari suspended Banks indefinitely for
breaking team rules. However, there's more to it than that. Banks gets so caught
up in his offensive game that he often forgets his teammates.
"He's been a cancer on that team," one NBA scout said. "He's a selfish player.
Instead of reveling in the fact that he has more talent around him, he's gotten
more selfish. He's a very talented player, the most talented guy on Memphis. But
with his attitude, I'm not sure how you give a guy a guaranteed contract in the
first round acting like he does."
Those observations, coupled with a checkered past for Banks, have torpedoed his
NBA stock for the moment.

Banks is a nightmare to defend, in more ways than one.
The reason he's still on this list is because of his many talents on the court.
Banks is a big-time athlete who's also a fluid, aggressive scorer. He's a
scoring threat anywhere on the floor. He can score off the dribble or stick the
mid-range jumper. He's also got the skills to be a long-range threat. He's a
nightmare to defend. He takes bigger players off the dribble or out on the
perimeter. He takes smaller, quicker defenders into the paint and posts them up.

Strength is a big issue for him. He needs another 15-20 pounds of muscle to
compete in the pros. He's also a little one-dimensional right now. He's just an
average rebounder, so-so defender and passer for someone of his abilities.
Scouts believe Banks needs at least one more year of school to add strength and
prove that he can play in a team system. However, all indications are that he
wants out of Memphis and will at least test the waters this summer.

Curtis Stinson, PG, Iowa State
The facts: 6-3, 215 pounds; 17.1 ppg, 5.2 apg on 44 percent shooting
The skinny: Stinson hasn't gotten the pub of the other eight guys on the list,
but scouts who have seen him play all believe he has what it takes to succeed in
the NBA.
Stinson is a scoring point guard with great size who likes to take the ball to
the basket. He's got a great basketball IQ and is an excellent passer and
defender. He's very strong and likes to take smaller guards down in the paint.
When he gets to the rim, he's a great finisher.
The only thing holding him back is his jump shot. While his mid-range jumper is
solid, he's not much of a long-range threat from 3-point land.
Scouts believe that there's a good chance Stinson will declare for the draft
this year. He will be a 22-year-old sophomore in February. He's at least two to
three years older than most college sophomores and knows the clock is ticking.
Right now he's probably a late first-round pick if he came out. If the jumper
ever improved, the rest of his game is pure lottery.

Mustafa Shakur, PG, Arizona
The facts: 6-3, 180 pounds; 9.2 ppg, 5.1 apg on 40 percent shooting
The skinny: Shakur is off to a terrible start to the season, causing many scouts
to reconsider whether he's really NBA material.
Shakur's troubles started this summer when it became pretty clear that he wasn't
in the same league as Chris Paul on Team USA's junior team. This year, he's been
pretty awful until a breakout game against Arizona State that thankfully took
place in front of a number of scouts.
Shakur had 20 points on 8-for-12 shooting, but he still didn't do enough to get
back in great graces with scouts. Coming out of high school, Shakur was billed
as a pass-first point guard. But after watching him this year, scouts claim that
he's really more of a "full-court" point guard. His decision-making on the break
is fantastic, but he breaks down pretty quickly in the half-court set.
When several scouts claim that you're Reece Gaines without the jump shot, you
know your draft stock is in serious trouble. While two scouts told Insider they
still believed Shakur was a mid first-rounder, most of the scouts now believe
that he might not crack the first round at all if he were to declare for the
draft this spring.
Best of the Rest: Linas Kleiza, F, Missouri; Charlie Villanueva, F, UConn;
Brandon Bass, PF, LSU; Ekene Ibekwe, PF, Maryland; Alexander Johnson, PF,
Florida State; Shannon Brown, PG, Michigan State; Martin Iti, C, Charlotte; Nick
Fazekas, PF, Nevada; Marcus Williams, PG, UConn; Jared Dudley, F, Boston
College; Mohammed Kone, C, Southern Idaho (JUCO)
Draft Cards
Tale of two prep prospects: Whoever told high school 6-2 shooting guard Louis
Williams that he'd be a top-five pick in the 2005 NBA draft needs to be banned
from scouting. Williams claims that his "sources" told him that recently.
Maybe he was referring to a host of amateur Web sites run by kids living in
their parents' basement who move people up and down on their mock draft
depending on whatever the hype is for the day.
I haven't encountered one NBA scout who believes he's lottery material, let
alone top five.
A number of those NBA scouts traveled to Florida in mid-December to watch
Williams play in the City of Palms Classic. Everyone Insider talked to all
walked away with the exact same impression. Williams is years away from being an
NBA player.
On the opening night of the tournament, Williams shot just 7-21 from the field,
committed six turnovers and fouled out of the game before his team suffered an
upset loss in the first round. According to scouts at the scene, Williams was
bickering with officials constantly and, for most of the game, played completely
out of control.
Later in the tournament he posted a better game, scoring 24 points on 6 of 10
shooting, but he still committed eight turnovers and appeared to be forcing the
action almost every trip down the floor.
It's hard enough to find any good examples, with the exception of Iverson, of
6-2 and under shooting guards succeeding in the league. But when the player has
the tendency to force everything, what coach is going to turn his team over to a
player like that coming directly out of high school? Dajuan Wagner is the
closest example, and we all know how that turned out.
That said, scouts do claim that Williams has NBA talent. He's a top-tier
athlete, can jump out of the gym and his shooting touch extends all the way to
the NBA 3-point line. He is one of the most gifted scorers in high school hoops,
but scouts claim he needs to do it at Georgia (the school he committed to) for a
few years first.
Ironically, the City of Palms Classic was the coming out party for one high
school senior. Swingman Martell Webster wowed scouts with his smooth game,
dead-on jumper and fantastic rebounding. The Seattle prep star is committed to
playing at Washington next year, but he's also flirted with going to the NBA.
One scout called him the best shooter in high school basketball after watching
him dominate in the tournament. Webster hit a number of contested 3s and
long-range shots during the tournament. His constant motor and his basketball IQ
also impressed scouts. The fact that he is regarded as a grounded kid also helps
his chances.
While scouts unanimously felt like he should go to college, they all believed he
was a more legitimate lottery prospect than Williams right now.
Questions dog Diogu: A number of readers were miffed that Arizona State power
forward Ike Diogu did not make Insider's top 10 junior list two weeks ago. Diogu
is averaging 22.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.8 bpg and is shooting an amazing 63 percent
from the field this year.

Diogu's work ethic might make the difference for his NBA chances.
What gives? Scouts have been having a hard time with him ever since a disastrous
performance at the junior trials in Colorado Springs. While everyone loves his
motor, great hands and his ever-expanding offensive game (he now has an 18-foot
jumper and a fadeaway he hits with regularity), there are serious questions
about how his game will translate to the NBA.
Scouts believe Diogu stands just 6-7. He isn't particularly long and, even more
damning, doesn't have the explosive athleticism that can make up for such
deficiencies. Is Diogu the type of player who's smart enough to excel at the
college level but doesn't have the skill to make it in the pros?
"He really struggles when he has to play against someone with a lot of length,"
one scout told Insider. "He can't elevate to get his shot off. If you can't
create space to get your shot, I'm not sure how you create the space to get a
rebound."
However, a handful of scouts think people are missing the boat on Diogu. He's a
tough kid with a great body. He has the type of nasty blue-collar game that's
made players like Malik Rose, Danny Fortson and Reggie Evans successful in the
NBA.
One scout says that Diogu will be a success in the NBA – if he finds the right
fit. "If he goes to a team that can afford to develop him, he'll be terrific,"
the scout told Insider. "He won't produce right away. He'll have to figure it
out. But when he does, he could be really productive."
While most scouts still feel that he's second-round material, a few others have
him in the Nos. 21-30 range on their draft boards now.
Blue Demon on the rise: One more college vet to keep an eye on is DePaul's
Quemont Greer. The 6-7, 245-pound senior is having a breakout senior year,
averaging 22.4 ppg and 8.4 rpg for the Blue Demons.
Greer has been on NBA scout radar screens for a while, but scouts viewed his
first three seasons with a tinge of disappointment. He was ranked as one of the
top high school players in the country going into his freshman season, but never
really developed the perimeter game teams believed he needed to make the jump to
the pros. Before this season, the term "tweener" was the comment most commonly
attached to his name.
However, this season Greer's perimeter game has improved dramatically, making
him a serious inside-outside threat a la Providence's Ryan Gomes. He's shooting
47 percent from 3-point range this year.
Greer has all of the rest of the tools to make a good NBA player. He is an
exceptional athlete with an NBA-ready body. While scouts aren't ready to declare
him a lock for the first round (many still wonder about his feel for the game),
there's no question that his stock is on the rise at the moment.
Split opinions on Splitter: Finally, from across the pond, the latest craze is
actually an old one. Tiago Splitter, whom Insider subscribers have been reading
about for the past 2½ years, is finally getting serious playing time for Tau
Cermaica in Spain. Splitter's making the most of it.

Expect Splitter to reappear on NBA draft radar this summer.
The 6-10 Brazilian scored 16 points versus Pau Orthez and had eight points and
10 boards against Ulker. Overall, he's averaging 10.2 ppg and 4.7 rpg in 18 mpg
in Euroleague. Those are great numbers for a 19 year old on one of Europe's
deepest teams.
Splitter declared for the draft last season, but withdrew after a so-so group
workout for around 100 NBA scouts and GMs at the Chicago pre-draft camp.
Splitter has an NBA body that he has made stronger over the past few months.
Most scouts agree that his defense is ahead of his offense right now. He's an
excellent rebounder and shot blocker. He does have a nice handle and a good, but
not great jumper. He's very long and runs the floor well.
Apparently, scouts claim that his athleticism and coordination are also
improving. He's fearless and doesn't mind contact in the paint. Despite his
youth, scouts claim that Splitter always seems to fit in whenever he gets
minutes.
Insider caught up with his teammate, former Atlanta Hawks and BYU guard Travis
Hansen, on Thursday. Hansen raved about Splitter. claiming that he, along with
Fran Vasquez, was one of the top two NBA prospects he's faced in Europe.
"He's going to be really good," Hansen told Insider. "He's pretty athletic for a
big man. He can really run the floor. He's a very hard worker. I think some
teams made a mistake not taking him last year."
Scouts are still all over the board with Splitter. Some have him rated as high
as a mid-lottery pick. Others still have him in the 20s. If Splitter continues
to play and produce in Spain this year, expect him to be a sure thing for the
lottery this season.
Chad Ford writes a weekly NBA draft column for ESPN Insider.
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2/1/2005  3:11 PM
thanks for the interesting article bro...

of all the international prospects i think the Knicks will have a realistic shot at, i think Tiago Splitter sounds like a player we could really use:
Tiago Splitter, PF, Brazil
The facts: 20, 6-10, 240 pounds; 8.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg in Euroleague
The skinny: After blowing it at a private Chicago draft camp workout last summer, it looked like Splitter was going to fall off the draft map. Then a funny thing happened. He went back to Europe, started getting 18 mpg and is now putting up great numbers for a 19-year-old (he just turned 20 this month) on one of Europe's deepest teams.

Suddenly, all those NBA scouts who said Splitter was overrated are changing their tune. Splitter has an NBA body that he has made stronger over the past few months. Most scouts agree his defense is ahead of his offense right now. He's an excellent rebounder and shot blocker. He does have a nice handle and a good, but not a great, jumper. He's very long and runs the floor well. Apparently, scouts claim his athleticism and coordination are also improving. He's fearless and doesn't mind contact in the paint. Despite his youth, scouts claim Splitter plays like he's 25.

Nevertheless, they're still all over the board with Splitter. Some have him rated as high as a mid-lottery pick. Others still have him in the 20s. If Splitter continues to play and produce in Spain this year, expect him to land somewhere in the late lottery.
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2/1/2005  3:32 PM
It will be a few months before we really get a clear picture of what will happen on draft day. Ford dosen't seem to beleive Bogut is a consensus top 3 pick. Knicks might have a chance at him then if they can get into the 5-10 range. My favored scenario would be:

Knicks 1st Round pick: Bogut (if he falls to the 5-10 range) If Bogut doesn't fall here, take the best available player (preferably a PF, SF or C. If there's no one at this pick IT is willing to take this high, It can be used in a draft day trade along with expiring contracts for a Kwame, Swift, SAR, etc.

Buy or trade for a pick in the 20s and draft Warrick or Simien

Draft 2 Euro players in the second round to leave overseas for a few years. When the horrible contracts start falling off the books in 06/07, these guys can be the replacements
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2/1/2005  3:55 PM
Im telling you Andrew Bogut is the number 1 pick and its not close for the second pick. While I would love to have either many players this guy is special, I cant stress this enough. He's much more athletic than Vlade Divac, thats a disagrace to compare other than his advanced passing skills. Bogut is WAY better at scoring, WAy better at rebounding and overall better athlete. hes closer to 7-1 than 6-10 with developed arms and legs.
This guy is a prospect that is up there with Lebron James, thats how good this kid is, but that is equated to the C spot.
Its like seeing Larry Bird at Indianan State, because he's not the fastest guy or the guy who can jump like shawn Kemp, because he is white and plays at utah, but Im telling you like I said Amare stoudemire would dominate NBA pro basketball after seeing him in person at a New Jersey High school basketball game, this guy is going to go down as an all time NBA player--thats how good he is.
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http://draftcity.com/viewprofile.php?p=25

[iAnother of his favourite situations on the offensive end is the pick and roll. He sets good picks and perfectly rolls towards the basket, trying then to take advantage of his size and soft touch, or dishing to a teammate whenever he sees a better option than his. Indeed, he sees the floor quite well, especially facing the basket, and makes good decisions, never panicking when double-teamed, although he could improve his passing execution. While not a superb handler, he can reliably put the ball on the floor if needed, and even penetrate, usually against centers, beating them with his quickness, being able to drive both left or right.
]

Sounds like a good fit in for Marbury.

Villanuva sounds like another player that would be a very good fit for the pick and roll and shotblocking.

http://draftcity.com/viewprofile.php?p=60

Villanueva is a good perimeter player with range out to the three point line. He is an excellent player to have in the high post because he is smart, can put the ball on the floor, hit the 18 footer, or find the open man with his above average passing skills. Cuts well himself to find the best angle to get open and receive the ball, works the pick and roll nicely.
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2/1/2005  4:12 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Im telling you Andrew Bogut is the number 1 pick and its not close for the second pick. While I would love to have either many players this guy is special, I cant stress this enough. He's much more athletic than Vlade Divac, thats a disagrace to compare other than his advanced passing skills. Bogut is WAY better at scoring, WAy better at rebounding and overall better athlete. hes closer to 7-1 than 6-10 with developed arms and legs.
This guy is a prospect that is up there with Lebron James, thats how good this kid is, but that is equated to the C spot.
Its like seeing Larry Bird at Indianan State, because he's not the fastest guy or the guy who can jump like shawn Kemp, because he is white and plays at utah, but Im telling you like I said Amare stoudemire would dominate NBA pro basketball after seeing him in person at a New Jersey High school basketball game, this guy is going to go down as an all time NBA player--thats how good he is.

He played well against Duncan in the Olympics I think?? I would love to land him because everyone says he is the best in this draft. But we would have to get the #1 pick.
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2/1/2005  4:26 PM
thats probably what it will take to get out of this mess
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Posted by fishmike:

thats probably what it will take to get out of this mess
marbury would have to go though...

imagine marbury passing to bogut - yeah right.
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2/1/2005  6:42 PM
are u suggesting that he's a racist. He was doing fine passing to KVH last year
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