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nykdunk
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1/30/2005  10:31 AM
It's about 2 games too late, but whatever. Here's mine:

Trevor Ariza A Exceeded all expectations and has managed to keep his spot in the rotation. Becoming the fan favorite with his constant effort and athleticism.

Vin Baker D- Would be F, but hasn't really been given a chance. But when he is, he's failed to deliver. A waste of the MLE.

Jamison Brewer (D-) Good defender and dunker, but nothing else. Hasn't been given much playing time, but he's probably not NBA material.

Jamal Crawford (B-) Without him, we are horrid. With him we are still bad. The jury's still out on whether he is worth the length of the contract Isiah gave him. Money per year wise, it is probably a bargain though. Bad shot selection and defensive problems have yet to improve.

Penny Hardaway (C) Supposed to be a major contributor this year, but injuries have struck again. Rumors about a possible falling out with Isiah still float around. When healthy, he has shown he can contribute. The problem with him, though, is that he is never healthy.

Stephon Marbury (B-) One would have hoped that he would have at least been able to keep this team close to .500, but that hasn't been the case. Statswise, he really is having a good year, but it hasn't translated into the wins he said he'd be judged by. His defense remains lousy and his idiotic statement that he is the best PG in the NBA hasn't helped the team's cause at all. But, with no big man and injury to key players, he can't really be blamed for much of the team's problems.

Nazy Mohammed (C+) Great start to year, but now mired in an awful slump. He's not the answer at the center position and certainly not a key to any deal. Still plays his hardest, but talentwise he just doesn't seem to have it.

Moochie Norris (C-) If you combined his skills with Brewer's skills, you still probably don't end up with an NBA calibre player. He has good stretches where he does look NBA calibre, but then he has games where it looks like he belongs in a high school league. Certainly isn't worth the contract the Rockets gave him. He does try his hardest, which is commendable.

Bruno Sundov (F) Not really given a chance, but looks like another 7 foot stiff.

Mike Sweetney (C) Been a tad disappointing. Still needs to lose weight and he hasn't lived up to expectations at all. A lot of that can be attributed to Lenny's coaching. But a lot can also be attributed to the fact that he has actually regressed since last year.

Kurt Thomas (B+) He's not the answer at the PF position, but there's no denying that he has played up to the best of his abilities. He's good at doing what he does best, but it isn't his fault the Knicks haven't put a PF in his position better than he is. On a good team, he can be very effective as a role player. This is not a good team though.

Jerome Williams (B+) No offensive game, but that wasn't expected in the first place. Too much JYD is bad. He's a fantastic role player and when kept in that role he has delivered.

Allan Houston (F/ME) In terms of the hype his return recieved, he has failed. But he has been medically unable to play, which really can't be his fault.

Tim Thomas (F) Unmitigated disaster. Keith Van Horn has been sidelined for a good portion of the year, yet still probably had the same effect on games that TT did. A lot has to be attributed to his personal life problems, but then he should have requested a personal leave which the Knicks should have granted.

Herb Williams (INC) New coach. Might help get a few more wins, but this team has too many holes for a coach to make a drastic difference.

Lenny Wilkens (D-) Was horrible period. Didn't have a good team, but he didn't help it become any better. Horrible substitutions patterns coupled with the complete lack of motivation of his players signalled his downfall. He had injuries, but so do all teams. Given the upgrade in talent, he should have faired better than Chaney, but he didn't. He had to go.

Isiah Thomas (C-)(This year) Made a high risk sign-and-trade for Jamal Crawford and wasted the MLE on Vin Baker. This team still has no real direction and the guys that might get us the big man that all good teams need to build with, he considers untradeable. The honeymoon is over and the spin is no longer working. This team is just bloody awful, but panic moves don't work either. He ought to rebuild instead of retool, but Dolan won't allow it. Perhaps he needs to just stand pat until the draft, and use the expiring contracts to get us in a better situation to move forward. But if he does continue to add payroll, he needs to add the right guys that can make a real difference.
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1/30/2005  12:09 PM
i'll agree w/most of your grades, but i'd make the following revisions:

Nazr deserves better imho...he's having a career season...certainly he's not the answer to our C position longterm, but i feel he has been a solid player for the most part...his defense is lacking no question however...i'd give him a B- for exceeding expectations for this season.

KT deserves less...he's been taking more & more perimeter shots & totally abandoned any semblance of a post game...he never gets to the FT line & his defense this year has been bad imho, contrary to popular media opinion...i give him a C- for NOT living up to expectations.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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1/30/2005  12:29 PM
kurt thomas cant possibly get the same grade as steph and jamal when he is only averaging 11pts and getting lit up by every PF in the league
nykdunk
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1/30/2005  12:43 PM
I went by potential. Marbs and Craw can both start on good teams. KT is a bench player, being made to start.
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1/30/2005  12:49 PM
if kurt thomas was averaging 11pts and our starting center was patrick ewing then it would be a different story. Kurt would legitimately be a B+ type player. But no, he never averaged over 11pts and 9rebs even when we were terrible..except one season when he averaged 14pts. Those numbers do have bench player written all over them. You should average a lot more when you're playing alongside Spoon and Nazr but he can't.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01/30/2005 12:54:24]
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1/30/2005  2:20 PM
So Nazr and Kurt have almost identical point/rebound averages, with Kurt having the slight edge, and Nazr is doing well yet Kurt is not? He is one of the most underrated players on our team. Our problems can't be blamed on him: he's our most consistant player. You know every single night you're going to get decently good defense, but at least a great effort on defense (which cannot be said about most Knicks), about 10 points and 10 boards. This isn't bad considering the only play he ever sees for himself is the occasional pick and roll. If he was utilized better, he could contribute better and perhaps make some noise down low. Definitely not saying he is a franchise player or any of that junk but if he was gone we'd definitely feel it.
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1/30/2005  2:26 PM
That being said, I hate our front court, and would do anything to upgrade. If Thomas has his heart set on sticking with Marbury for the rest of his time with New York, he needs to understand that we can only win that way with a steller front court. Houston, Crawford, and all these other guards don't solve the problem. Marbury can do well only with big men.
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1/30/2005  2:37 PM
kurt is far from consistent. his defense just gets worse every year
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1/30/2005  2:59 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

kurt is far from consistent. his defense just gets worse every year
his defense is WAY OVERRATED, I laugh everytime I hear Mike Breen say KT should be considered for all-defensive team
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers!!!
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1/30/2005  3:20 PM
anyone who still calls SKurt a hardnosed defensive player clearly hasn't watched the Knicks consistently since JVG left and they started losing.
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