next year is the year to lose big http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/gregoden.asp

greg oden is a guy that would be great for us. tank next year.

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/derrickcaracter.asp

this guy was well known

'06 draft

I completely disagree. Nazr is a fine center for this team if we get a shotblocking 4. Josh Boone, Wayne Simien or Hakim Warrick would be perfect fits for Marbury's style.

Nazr is a fine backup center.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Im not trying to get racial or anything. This is a legit question. Who was the last white franchise center in the NBA???

I mean Kaman was suposed to be the man. The Brazilian Aroujo was suposed to be the man. Even if he turns out to be Brad Miller that still isn't a franchise calibre center and he wasn't even drafted. Chris Borchardt the yr before wasn't franchise calibre but he is another failure. Eric Chenowith lol let me stop. Chris Mihm, Joe Pryzbilla, Jason Collier, Alek Redojevic, Frederick Weis, Doleac, Nestorivic.

There are a lot of black failures as well but i mean who was the last white nba franchise center seriously???

i dont think its about race, there are plenty of tremendously talented big men from many races. Is Yao Ming talented? Did anyone suspect that there would be a Chinese franhise player in the NBA, EVER?

You are forgetting players like rik smits, larry bird, jack sikma, bill laimber, kevin mchale,i mean its kind of naive to say this guy cant be good because he is blue?
whats wrong with Chris Kaman right now? the guy is 22 years old and has played very well--look at his numbers-they tell the truth and they show what he can be.
I compared Kaman to Smits and I think thats a valid comparison, close, as long as Chris continues the way he is going. I wouldnt call him a franchise C, but he can be a major piece, he can be a well above average C.

As far as Bogut, he is actually a Croatian who lives in Australia. Just look at his build, he's chisled, I mean he looks like a supeior type athlete physically and his actual skill level is off the charts for his age. I think they are on ESPN this week, you can watch him for yourself and see what he is. He's well above anyone else IMHO. he has driven that team to a 16-3 record, without him, they would utterly stink.

Darko & Lampe might be following along in that list of yours someday, newyork.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Im not trying to get racial or anything. This is a legit question. Who was the last white franchise center in the NBA???

I mean Kaman was suposed to be the man. The Brazilian Aroujo was suposed to be the man. Even if he turns out to be Brad Miller that still isn't a franchise calibre center and he wasn't even drafted. Chris Borchardt the yr before wasn't franchise calibre but he is another failure. Eric Chenowith lol let me stop. Chris Mihm, Joe Pryzbilla, Jason Collier, Alek Redojevic, Frederick Weis, Doleac, Nestorivic.

There are a lot of black failures as well but i mean who was the last white nba franchise center seriously???

i dont think its about race, there are plenty of tremendously talented big men from many races. Is Yao Ming talented? Did anyone suspect that there would be a Chinese franhise player in the NBA, EVER?

You are forgetting players like rik smits, larry bird, jack sikma, bill laimber, kevin mchale,i mean its kind of naive to say this guy cant be good because he is blue?
whats wrong with Chris Kaman right now? the guy is 22 years old and has played very well--look at his numbers-they tell the truth and they show what he can be.
I compared Kaman to Smits and I think thats a valid comparison, close, as long as Chris continues the way he is going. I wouldnt call him a franchise C, but he can be a major piece, he can be a well above average C.

As far as Bogut, he is actually a Croatian who lives in Australia. Just look at his build, he's chisled, I mean he looks like a supeior type athlete physically and his actual skill level is off the charts for his age. I think they are on ESPN this week, you can watch him for yourself and see what he is. He's well above anyone else IMHO. he has driven that team to a 16-3 record, without him, they would utterly stink.

I never said Bogut isn't a franchise calibre player because he is white. If you can play you can play. I never seen him play so I have no judgment on him. All im asking is who was the last white franchise center?? Brad Miller is an allstar calibre player but he isn't a franchise player so when you say that this guy Bogut is a franchise type talent it got me thinking who was the last white franchise center??? Kaman with a lot of hard work can work his way to become an allstar and with even more hard work can be the 2nd option on a very good team but he isn't a franchise type player.

Bill Walton and George Mikan and wasn't that guy from Phoenix in the early 90s, Chambers, good?

I'm with Briggs on this...Bogut is an outstanding player with great touch and toughness inside. I don't think he's gonna be an elite NBA center like a Duncan, Shaq, Robinson, Ewing etc. but a star level player capable of averaging 20 and 10. His rebounding in particular has been awesome this year.

Nazr has been terrible lately. you can't judge him by the numbers. his stock is dropping. He's a fine backup center. the fact that he is our starting center at 6'10 240lbs goes to show how bad we are up front. Our front court would be a lot better with Sweetney at PF and a Chandler, Kwame or even Gadzuric at center blocking shots

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Posted by franco12:

And all this talk of we need a stud center- over rated. the sonics and suns are playing who at center?

Last 3 Championship teams had: Ben Wallce, Tim Duncan and Shaq playing center. I dont think its overrated. I think we do need a stud center, even if it is a Duncan type who likes to play at the 4. A converted 4 to a 5. I dont think Seattle or Phoenix will win the championship this year. San Antonio vs. Miami final.

you got it! those are my picks