[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

sports nation as spoken...
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
fishmike
Posts: 53199
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
1/22/2005  6:41 PM
Total Votes: 10,276 (at time of posting)

1) Who do you believe was most responsible for the Knicks' disappointing start?
61.6% The players
22.4% Team president Isiah Thomas
16.0% Coach Lenny Wilkens

2) Do you believe that it was time for Lenny Wilkens to go?
74.8% Yes
25.2% No

3) Do you believe the game has passed Lenny Wilkens by?
60.8% Yes
39.2% No

4) Who will win the Atlantic Division?
33.2% Philadelphia (18-20)
31.0% New York (17-22)
17.9% Boston (18-21)
13.4% New Jersey (15-24)
4.4% Toronto (17-24)


5) Who should win the Atlantic Division?
46.4% New York
21.5% Philadelphia
17.8% New Jersey
11.0% Boston
3.3% Toronto


6) Who will coach the Knicks next season?
40.1% Phil Jackson
28.2% Isiah Thomas
12.7% Larry Brown
9.5% Herb Williams
7.6% Mark Aguirre
2.0% Brendan Suhr

7) How many NBA titles will Isiah Thomas win as president of the Knicks?
73.4% Zero
24.6% 1-2
1.9% Three or more


8) How would you rate Lenny Wilkens' career?
40.2% He may have been a great coach at one time, but not anymore
38.4% He's one of the greatest coaches ever
20.1% He may have coached a long time, but he was not a great coach
1.3% He's the greatest coach ever
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
AUTOADVERT
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
1/22/2005  7:06 PM
I think question 7 is the most telling.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
1/22/2005  8:25 PM
It's a good thing they don't use polls from casual fans to determine who wins each game and each championship. I'm sure Pistons fans agree too.
MaTT4281
Posts: 33880
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #538
USA
1/22/2005  8:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's a good thing they don't use polls from casual fans to determine who wins each game and each championship. I'm sure Pistons fans agree too.
I wish they did...I think we could get enough Knick fans spamming those polls to bring in a couple rings.
fishmike
Posts: 53199
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
1/22/2005  9:10 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I think question 7 is the most telling.
just for kicks.. how many titles do you thing Jerry West will bring to Memphis?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
1/22/2005  9:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I think question 7 is the most telling.

Actually, I think questions 2 and 3 are the most telling.

While we loved the guy, it would have only gotten worst.
all kool aid all the time.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
1/22/2005  10:50 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

I think question 7 is the most telling.
just for kicks.. how many titles do you thing Jerry West will bring to Memphis?

DOH!!!
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
fishmike
Posts: 53199
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
1/22/2005  11:38 PM
thats Isles in a nutshell. Its easy to take one angle, but that angle only applies when when he feels like it. God forbid Isiah gave a 6 year deal to Brian Cardinal, or used 2 first rounders on Troy Bell and Dahntey Jones
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Bobby
Posts: 22094
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/18/2003
Member: #408
USA
1/22/2005  11:39 PM
cant understand why 62% blames players for poor start only to have 75% believe lenny must go?....obviously this poll was designed to punk knick fans
"Like they always say, New York is the Mecca of basketball,"I read that in Michael Jordan books my whole life and I played here in the Big East tournament, so it's always fun to play in the Mecca of basketball."---Rip Hamilton
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
1/22/2005  11:53 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

I think question 7 is the most telling.
just for kicks.. how many titles do you thing Jerry West will bring to Memphis?

Based on West's track record I'd have to say at least 1.

That's me in a nutshell? Excuse me?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
fishmike
Posts: 53199
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
1/23/2005  12:11 AM
yes... thats you. Pretty much every knock you have on Isiah, or guys he brings in only apply to them, not to others you think more highly of in the NBA.

Back to the other note... any time frame on when West is going to get Memphis that title? in the next 2-3 years or more?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
1/23/2005  12:22 AM
Actually I think I'm pretty consistent. Although I do admit that I try not to generalize to match every situation but rather take things on a case by case basis.

Like your Jerry West question. West has a much better track record when it comes to building championship caliber teams than Isiah, don't you agree? His team also plays in the West which makes it that much tougher to get through 3 rounds of the playoffs as opposed to the Knicks who play in a pathetic division and weaker conference, don't you agree? Or maybe I should have just pretended that everything is equal so you could say that I'm being unfair.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Nalod
Posts: 68922
Alba Posts: 154
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
1/23/2005  12:25 AM
Isles, your cynical analysis has been more accurate than blowing kool aid up ones butt!
fishmike
Posts: 53199
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
1/23/2005  10:13 AM
first of all Isiah was only GM in one other place. Did he win titles? No, but it was an expansion team and he performed well signing good players, drafting very well and getting that franchise off to a good start.

The point is all GMs, even the one universally considered best mistakes. Did Wesy build title teams? Yes.. the showtime Lakers were unreal, but if Shaq doesnt pack his bags for LA the day he's a FA it stops there. Unless you have for gotten about an 8 year stretch of Cedric Ceballos and Nick Van Exel and a lot of early exits.

I can only imagine your reaction if Isiah's big FA aquisition was Brian Cardinal instead of resign Swift, or his best draft was Dahntay Jones and Troy Bell.

But no... you have no double standard at all.

So if people say Isiah wont win a title here its "see I told ya" but as West plods along its the West is tough and his division is tough.

To bad Isiah didnt take over a roster with Gasol, Swift, some nice young players and a reasonably priced roster.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Nalod
Posts: 68922
Alba Posts: 154
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
1/23/2005  10:28 AM
Posted by fishmike:

first of all Isiah was only GM in one other place. Did he win titles? No, but it was an expansion team and he performed well signing good players, drafting very well and getting that franchise off to a good start.

The point is all GMs, even the one universally considered best mistakes. Did Wesy build title teams? Yes.. the showtime Lakers were unreal, but if Shaq doesnt pack his bags for LA the day he's a FA it stops there. Unless you have for gotten about an 8 year stretch of Cedric Ceballos and Nick Van Exel and a lot of early exits.

I can only imagine your reaction if Isiah's big FA aquisition was Brian Cardinal instead of resign Swift, or his best draft was Dahntay Jones and Troy Bell.

But no... you have no double standard at all.

So if people say Isiah wont win a title here its "see I told ya" but as West plods along its the West is tough and his division is tough.

To bad Isiah didnt take over a roster with Gasol, Swift, some nice young players and a reasonably priced roster.

Memphis was considered a lost team when West hit it. Swift is not important to that team, and Gasol was questionable. West took what was there and took some risks too. They are still a work in progress, but one on the upswing.

Isiah has his dark side, and today its raining upon him. But thats the media, thats NY. THEy can make you, and take it away.
fishmike
Posts: 53199
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
1/23/2005  12:02 PM
Isiah has a MAJOR nasty ugly side, AND he's made mistakes since he's been here. My point ALL ALONG is ANY GM that takes over needs 2-3 years to execute some kind of plan. Is Isiah Jerry West? God no... my only point was West has made pleny of mistakes along the way, every GM does. But you look at a body of work over a long period of time to evaluate GMs, not 12 months of activity.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
1/23/2005  12:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Isiah has a MAJOR nasty ugly side, AND he's made mistakes since he's been here. My point ALL ALONG is ANY GM that takes over needs 2-3 years to execute some kind of plan. Is Isiah Jerry West? God no... my only point was West has made pleny of mistakes along the way, every GM does. But you look at a body of work over a long period of time to evaluate GMs, not 12 months of activity.

thanks for making sense!
newyorknewyork
Posts: 29869
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
1/23/2005  2:46 PM
cant understand why 62% blames players for poor start only to have 75% believe lenny must go?....obviously this poll was designed to punk knick fans

LOL.

West won championships because Shaq wanted to go to LA and there huge market. Without Shaq the most dominate player in the NBA there is no championship. Joe Dumars probably deserves the most credit for gm skills. Since he did it by adding B.Wallace for Hill, Rip for Stackhouse, Signing Billups, drafting Prince, and getting lucky with Rasheed Wallace. If Zeke drafted Milcic over Carmelo Anthony though he would have never herd the end of it.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 01/23/2005 14:47:00]
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
newyorknewyork
Posts: 29869
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
1/23/2005  2:52 PM
I give Isiah credit for taking the Knicks GM job. I mean the salary cap mess & roster mess he took when he took the position. Plus the demanding fans and media. I wonder if Isiah was the first choice or if many others turned down the offer. I know they went after West when he was avaialbe but he wanted to go to a situation with cap space and flexabile contracts & young players so he choose Memphis.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
« Reply To Topic
sports nation as spoken...
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2012 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy