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BigC
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1/22/2005  12:21 AM
Let me start out by saying the Knicks did play hard tonight and I am happy that they did come to play,however this is like the third game that Marbury seems like he does not want to be blamed for taking the last shot and missing it. The Bulls' game before ,he gave up the ball to Kurt Thomas when he could have drove to the hole when he had one on one coverage. In today's game he could have taking a shot twice but he threw the ball to Jamal in a situation that would be hard to hit a shot. We criticize Kwing for missing shots at the end of games but a least Ewing was not scared to take them. Also this team does not have plays to win games in the final minutes. They play in the final minutes like they are making things up as they go along.
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1/22/2005  12:25 AM
Posted by BigC:

They play in the final minutes like they are making things up as they go along.

Arg...thats my thought too. I wish a good play would have been run at the end of the game. Same with the bad shot in the Pistons game a while back. Lenny likes to see the players play, but at least run something!!
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1/22/2005  12:37 AM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by BigC:

They play in the final minutes like they are making things up as they go along.

Arg...thats my thought too. I wish a good play would have been run at the end of the game. Same with the bad shot in the Pistons game a while back. Lenny likes to see the players play, but at least run something!!

As many close games as this team has lost. The last thing Lenny should let them do is let them make up their own plays with the game on the line.

[Edited by - BigC on 01/22/2005 02:11:57]
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1/22/2005  1:07 AM
How do you know that there wasn't a play called and Marbury just refused to give up the ball unless he absolutely had to? It wouldn't be the first time he's done that. What if he decided that he was going to take his man off the dribble and only gave it up when he realized he had no choice but to pull up for a jumper.
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1/22/2005  1:49 AM
marbury is the gift and the curse.

the gift is that he's got really good skills.
the curse is that he's too good a scorer for his position.

and it seems that he has yet to fully understand what to do and at what time. he's a flawed star, much like ewing. the difference being that ewing was a center and it's easier to build around a center.
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1/22/2005  2:20 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury is the gift and the curse.

the gift is that he's got really good skills.
the curse is that he's too good a scorer for his position.

and it seems that he has yet to fully understand what to do and at what time. he's a flawed star, much like ewing. the difference being that ewing was a center and it's easier to build around a center.

I agree with your comment on Marbury. His curse also is that he's a defensive liability when he's not playing hard.

But you comparing him to Ewing??? Ewing was flawed? Man, I would give everyone on this team for Ewing in his prime!
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1/22/2005  2:31 AM
And he's the leader....??????
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1/22/2005  3:14 AM
Posted by SKY:
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury is the gift and the curse.

the gift is that he's got really good skills.
the curse is that he's too good a scorer for his position.

and it seems that he has yet to fully understand what to do and at what time. he's a flawed star, much like ewing. the difference being that ewing was a center and it's easier to build around a center.

I agree with your comment on Marbury. His curse also is that he's a defensive liability when he's not playing hard.

But you comparing him to Ewing??? Ewing was flawed? Man, I would give everyone on this team for Ewing in his prime!

ewing was my favorite knick of all time but he just wasn't good enough to carry the team to a title. his knock was missing big free throws and didn't elevate the play of others. i still think he's great but he never won a title, even the year jordan was gone.
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1/22/2005  4:37 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SKY:
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marbury is the gift and the curse.

the gift is that he's got really good skills.
the curse is that he's too good a scorer for his position.

and it seems that he has yet to fully understand what to do and at what time. he's a flawed star, much like ewing. the difference being that ewing was a center and it's easier to build around a center.

I agree with your comment on Marbury. His curse also is that he's a defensive liability when he's not playing hard.

But you comparing him to Ewing??? Ewing was flawed? Man, I would give everyone on this team for Ewing in his prime!

ewing was my favorite knick of all time but he just wasn't good enough to carry the team to a title. his knock was missing big free throws and didn't elevate the play of others. i still think he's great but he never won a title, even the year jordan was gone.
What's your point? Karl Malone never won a title despite playing with three hall-of-famers last year and one HF PG for his whole career but he's still considered the best PF of all-time. I bet Ewing would have accomplished more than the best PF of all-time did if he'd been playing with Stockton for whole career.
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1/22/2005  5:48 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:


What's your point? Karl Malone never won a title despite playing with three hall-of-famers last year and one HF PG for his whole career but he's still considered the best PF of all-time.

just one thing just close to the point, i'd strongly advise you to read phil jackson's book about the "last season"... was a very vrey interesting book, on all aspects, (tactical, psychological...). read it last week and found it years ahead of the jordan rules for instance. less gossiip, much more info.

m8, that season must have shortened PJ's life about at least ten years...
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1/22/2005  7:55 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SKY:
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury is the gift and the curse.

the gift is that he's got really good skills.
the curse is that he's too good a scorer for his position.

and it seems that he has yet to fully understand what to do and at what time. he's a flawed star, much like ewing. the difference being that ewing was a center and it's easier to build around a center.

I agree with your comment on Marbury. His curse also is that he's a defensive liability when he's not playing hard.

But you comparing him to Ewing??? Ewing was flawed? Man, I would give everyone on this team for Ewing in his prime!

ewing was my favorite knick of all time but he just wasn't good enough to carry the team to a title. his knock was missing big free throws and didn't elevate the play of others. i still think he's great but he never won a title, even the year jordan was gone.
What's your point? Karl Malone never won a title despite playing with three hall-of-famers last year and one HF PG for his whole career but he's still considered the best PF of all-time. I bet Ewing would have accomplished more than the best PF of all-time did if he'd been playing with Stockton for whole career.

I agree. Ewing was one of the best centers ever. He may not have won the championship, but HE BROUGHT EVERYTHING AND LEFT EVERYTHING ON THE COURT. Who cares if he wasn't a media favorite. His talent and hardwork made careers out of Starks and co. He was the reason us Knicks fans were so happy for years. I doubt you could say the same thing for Marbury, at least not yet.
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1/22/2005  11:31 AM
The play was pretty clear, Marbs isolates, and kicks it to craw when his man doubles on him. But Sura did a great job and locked him up. Craw had to back up to get free. If he starts the play at 8 seconds, not 5, knicks win!

Bad play, great execution by sura. Gotta gime him some credit!
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1/22/2005  11:40 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SKY:
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury is the gift and the curse.

the gift is that he's got really good skills.
the curse is that he's too good a scorer for his position.

and it seems that he has yet to fully understand what to do and at what time. he's a flawed star, much like ewing. the difference being that ewing was a center and it's easier to build around a center.


I agree with your comment on Marbury. His curse also is that he's a defensive liability when he's not playing hard.

But you comparing him to Ewing??? Ewing was flawed? Man, I would give everyone on this team for Ewing in his prime!

ewing was my favorite knick of all time but he just wasn't good enough to carry the team to a title. his knock was missing big free throws and didn't elevate the play of others. i still think he's great but he never won a title, even the year jordan was gone.
The reason why Ewing never won a title is because he never had anyone good on his team to help him. He played with Starks who was after 2 years slumping meanwhile Hakeem played with Horry who was shooting so hot from everywhere. Ewing is 10 times the player, leader, warrior that Marbury will ever be.
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