Knicks trades:
• Marbury, Salary remaining $91mil, age 28
• K. Thomas, $27mil, age 33
• Ariza, $0.3mil, age 20
• Lottery protected 1st round pick

Indiana trades:
• Tinsley, $40mil, age 27
• Artest, $29mil, age 26
• Croshere, $26mil, age 30
• Pollard, $12mil, age 30

NY line up:
Tinsley / Brewer
Crawford / H20
J. Williams / TT
Sweeteny / Croshere / Baker
Nazr / Pollard / Sundov
(IR – Moochy, Penny, Artest suspended)

Indiana line up:
Marbury / A. Johnson
S. Jackson / R. Miller / F. Jones
Bender / J. Jones / Ariza
O’Neil / K. Thomas
Foster / Harison
(IR – Gill, M. Curry, Edwards. Jackson is scheduled to return from suspension next wed)

Why NY does this:
1. To move KT to allow Sweetney to play max PT this season
2. To obtain Artest for the next 5 seasons.
3. To lower the payroll by moving Marbury while getting a blossoming PG in Tinsley (Total salary exchanged $120 mil from NYK; $107 mil from IND). We also obtain another contract ending next season in Pollard ($6.2mil). This makes the total ending contracts for next season $50 mil, and $35mil for 06/07 season. With this much trade asset, we should be able to get at least one 1st round pick, hopefully more.
4. Get better defensive players in Tinsley, Artest, Pollard

Why Indiana may do this:
1. To rid themselves of Artest, who could again jeopardize their season in the future
2. To recover their season by obtaining “the best PG in the league Mr. Marbury” to play alongside O’Neil, both all stars in their prime. Marbury has shown that he has matured, and the combo of him and O’Neil could be as good as Nash/Stoudamire, Wade/Shaq, or Parker/Dunkan.
3. To get a great PF/C back-up in KT who provides defense, rebounding & already-proven effective pick & roll offense with Marbury.
4. To get rid of Croshere’s contract.
5. To get a possible future star in Ariza and a future 1st round pick.

Now, after this move is made, NY still has TT, Penny, Baker, Moochy, Nazr, and Pollard’s contracts to make further trades. If he’s gonna make a trade, Isiah has to go after guys who play at both ends of the floor.

Is this a dream scenario? I know Isiah will never do this, and I doubt Indiana does this considering Marbury’s price tag and his lack of defense…

i don't know what to answer here.

1- imo we'd get robbed here cause marb is in this package the closest to a franchise player (plz, dont mention artest in the same sentence as franchise player, please)
2- croshere, pollard are just average role players
3- ariza and a 1st rounder has imo 10 times the value a guy like tinsley could bring

so in my world,
1- this is not a fantasy trade, but a nigthmare one.
2- im happy you're not our gm

Never. We're trading Marbury AND Ariza AND a first round pick for Artest, Jamal Tinsley and two 30 year olds? Never

Posted by nykdunk:

But we are making room for Sweetney in the process and making us a far far better defensive team. I like it. The price looks a little steep considering we are giving up BOTH Ariza and a future first round pick, but we have to give to get, and we'd be getting a lot in return.

The one thing bothersome about the deal is that we won't be getting a young big man. This deal is fair, but Marbury is our best trade asset and to not use him on a big man would not be wise IMO.

Yeah, I think this is a decent trade proposal. We are giving away a lot, but we are getting back quite a lot as well. This trade would be much better than the McDyess/Marbury trade from last yr, in my opinion.

As for no getting back a young big, yeah, I agree that is a bit of a let down. NY should go after a C like K. Brown. But I wanted to get rid of Marbury & KT, and get good players who play both defense & offense in return. Other guys on this team should be easier to move because of their ending contracts, and that should net a decent big man and/or picks. Also I believe NY would be able to get a decent pick of their own in the draft by allowing the young players to get PT (thus have a bad record). We could go after C like Andrew Bogut.

As for Ariza, he's good but I'm not sure if he'll ever be a player of Artest's caliber. Artest is a proven talent, and next season he's gonna join our youth who had plenty of PT, experience, and learning to play together.

Now, since I don't have the details, let's say the extension Tinsley got pays him $6.6mil x 6 yrs. Then our future committed salary for 07/08 comes down from $36mil to $22mil thanks to Marbury's big contract (worth 3 times as much as Tinsley's) not being here. That's good, isn't it?

Once the above trade is done...

Bye, bye, Brewer & Sundov
Trade baits: Nazr, Baker, Moochy, TT, Penny,

- Trade Nazr for K. Brown straight up (or add our future 2nd r pick)
- Trade expiring contracts and get a 1st round pick.
- Then trade our 2 first round picks (plus cash, whatever the cost) for a top 3 pick, and draft Andrew Bogut.
- Draft Nate Robinson with the 2nd round pick.
- Sign & Trade for Swift.
- Use MLE for a back up SG & PG who plays at both end of the court, damn it!

Next season's line up:

Tinsley / Nate Robinson / PG
Crawford / Houston / SG
Artest / JYD
Sweetney / Swift / Croshere
K. Brown/ Pollard / Bogut

Dream.....!

Posted by SKY:

Posted by TMS:

take out Ariza & the 1st round pick & this might be more even for both sides...there's no need to include Ariza & a pick when you're taking back major baggage from the Pacers in Artest along w/3 bad contracts in Tinsley, Pollard & Croshere.

I think at least either Ariza or 1st round pick has to be included in order for Indiana to bite, don't you think? I mean they could probably get something better than Marbury & KT elsewhere for these 4 guys...

if they can get better, you pass on the deal...you don't give up all that to get back a headcase like Artest, no matter how good he is...that could be a disastrous trade if you take that risk...giving up Marbury who you gave up so much to get in the first place along w/a solid veteran PF is plenty imho.

we get robbed. Like TMS said.. take out Ariza and the #1 and OK. Otherwise no thanks

Artest is a legit top ten player in this league. If you could boil down the trade to Marbury for Artest and Tinsley, I'd do it. Losing Ariza and our 2005 lottery pick is too much though.

I'm not sure how Artest would handle New York, but you know Tinsley would excel here. Good trade proposal. My guess is the only way Indy would actually do it is if Ariza and the pick were involved. I'm sure Zeke will try for Ron, but I doubt Larry Bird will deal with him.