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BRIGGS
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1/20/2005  8:08 PM
there were a lot of them.

and lets face true reality, isiah thomas and the knicks FULLY expected to be a top 4 team and walk away with the east.

now the knicks have every opportunity to win the east because it scks and someone who wins it could well be 5+ games under, its really who doesnt sck the most

who knows, we'll wait and see.

you have to accept some things, we have no control. but I dont want to hear isiah say this has been the plan on rebuilding. thats the one caveat of truth i want him to be fair with, to be honest.
if he says, well we tried to do some things because we saw a weak east and went fot it, but realized it wasnt going anyplace, so as an organization we will are willing to take a dew steps back in order to build a team that can truly compete at an elite level.

rebuilding teasm dont trade away all their draft picks they can and take on 300mm in salaries. quite the opposite-rebuilding teams pair payroll and try to add picks. rebuilding teams dont spend 7.5mm$ on the vin bakers of the world. thats fair

i remember full well the article in which the knicks brass were sure of themselvess-ure of a top 4 seed and a solid record.

isiah back peddled off that to 43 wins the other night, and since hasnt even been heard from.


they are currently paying chaney and wilkins 8mm$ this year and owe lenny an additional 8mm after this year.

I think isiah fell into the same kind of trap that laydumb fell into--the open wallet to keep th knicks in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

after all these years of knicks and ranger failures, and lets face it 39 wins and 4-0 in the playoffs last year doesnt constitute anything but a BAD season




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1/20/2005  8:12 PM
were are all the 47 win people? second round of playoffs?

Here I am, and im not afraid to admit it. Although i dont think they'll win 47 games, I still believe we'll make it into the second round. Im not giving up just cause we're going through a tough strecth right now. YA GOTTA BELIEVE, AND I DO
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1/20/2005  8:13 PM
I am going to step up and say that I was one of the fans who thought that the Knicks would have won 50 games this year, but I never thought that Lenny would have been outcoached by every coaches in this league.
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1/20/2005  8:16 PM
i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
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1/20/2005  8:17 PM
47-35 baby! A few days ago I came out and dropped it to 45-37, and I still think we can pull that off. This is a bad losing streak, but I'm not about to go and say "Screw that, we're a lottery team again".
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1/20/2005  8:17 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
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1/20/2005  8:39 PM
I don't think I ever thought 47- probably in a 43 to 45 range.

I also thought Tim Thomas would show up like last year and DO something- Anything!

But, who would have predicted he would start the season distracted due to family tragedies. He still hasn't come back.

I figured the team would take some time to come together- and they haven't yet.

At times, they've looked better than I thought.

And at times, they've looked far worse than I thought.
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1/20/2005  8:45 PM
I am right here, waiting for this slump to end and get back on track.
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1/20/2005  9:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
It was 7-22, and it was probably the most uneducated prediction anyone here has made. It's funny that he would laugh at anyone else's prediction
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1/20/2005  9:11 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
It was 7-22, and it was probably the most uneducated prediction anyone here has made. It's funny that he would laugh at anyone else's prediction

Who predicted that?
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1/20/2005  10:01 PM
I said 45 games and the atlantic champs but said nothing about making it too the 2nd round. That will depend on who we face. 8 games over doesnt see likely, but if Lenny could get the VC-less Raptors to finish a season 12-2 maybe we can too.
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1/20/2005  10:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
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BRIGGS
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1/20/2005  10:46 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
It was 7-22, and it was probably the most uneducated prediction anyone here has made. It's funny that he would laugh at anyone else's prediction

Who predicted that?


I never said the knicks would go 7-22 7-20 i said what if and its a possibility. i think for the most part i have said between 37 and 42 wins. I think ill be close to the low end of that--maybe 35-36
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1/20/2005  11:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
It was 7-22, and it was probably the most uneducated prediction anyone here has made. It's funny that he would laugh at anyone else's prediction

You mean besides your prediction that the Phoenix Suns ownership was destroying the franchise by signing Steve Nash, right? It's funny that you would ridicule anybody else's predictions.

After the next 9 games, the Knicks might as well be 7-22.
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1/21/2005  1:22 AM
but I dont want to hear isiah say this has been the plan on rebuilding. thats the one caveat of truth i want him to be fair with, to be honest.
if he says, well we tried to do some things because we saw a weak east and went fot it, but realized it wasnt going anyplace, so as an organization we will are willing to take a dew steps back in order to build a team that can truly compete at an elite level.


Im pretty sure if the plan was to take over the weak east then he would have moved Crawford-JYD-Baker & Tim Thomas for Vince Carter & Jalen Rose with ease. And they wouldn't have thought about the money owed to them. The only long term salaries he has added have been. Marbury 27, Crawford 24. And KT 30+ was resigned because they felt it was owed to him plus they feel they could still trade him. He could have traded Sweetney last season or in the offseason as well for an established veteran if win now was the plan.

What I see is someone using the same formula as Indiana (who he was apart of) trying to rebuild while still having a competitive team out on the floor or rebuilding on the fly. The thing is they aren't as competitive as we/they thought there were going to be. This team healthy. I mean a consistant 20pt. Not even, a consistant 18pt Houston. Tim Thomas 12pts 4rebs on 44% shooting which is his career #s. 10-10from KT, 10-9 from Muhammad. Marbury 20-8, Crawford 15-16pts off the bench at PG/SG. JYD 6pts 6rebs & Sweetney 9pts 5rebs off the bench in 20mins. Baker & Penny were counted on to contribute more. Could win 45 games in the east. Unfortunatly injures & personal matters got in the way.

I don't see anyone being apart of Isiahs big picture other than Marbury & Crawford as of now. With Ariza & Sweetney being safe unless better can be had. I think Isiahs is looking to add young pieces but also trying to field a competitve team with 07 in mind. 07 since its the yr Houston & Anderson's 27mil come off the books.
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1/21/2005  6:33 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
It was 7-22, and it was probably the most uneducated prediction anyone here has made. It's funny that he would laugh at anyone else's prediction

Who predicted that?


I never said the knicks would go 7-22 7-20 i said what if and its a possibility. i think for the most part i have said between 37 and 42 wins. I think ill be close to the low end of that--maybe 35-36

I see. Wasn't sure if it was your prediction or not. Ok. So people are bragging about being 4 games under instead of 15. IMHO, your prediction is a better case scenario and would've had us getting a high pick.

In all honesty, I picked 45 wins, but clearly I had a little kool aid in my iced tea. Now I see that we won't even come close enough to touch the 45 win plateau without, at least, a trade to solidify this team. This team has a lot of issues. Without addressing our big men need, we're waiting for Nazr, Kurt, Sweetney to become superstars. I'd be happy if one was an all-star. It won't happen.
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1/21/2005  8:33 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
It was 7-22, and it was probably the most uneducated prediction anyone here has made. It's funny that he would laugh at anyone else's prediction

You mean besides your prediction that the Phoenix Suns ownership was destroying the franchise by signing Steve Nash, right? It's funny that you would ridicule anybody else's predictions.

After the next 9 games, the Knicks might as well be 7-22.
My Suns comment was before they made several changes over the offseason and thus before we knew the Suns roster. You really can't blame someone for a prediction before huge roster changes are made. After the Knicks were 10-18 and before Layden was fired, I don't think anyone would have predicted that the Knicks would win 55% of the remaining games last year either. In contrast, we knew the exact Knicks roster when Briggs made that goofy 7-22 thread.
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1/21/2005  8:35 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
It was 7-22, and it was probably the most uneducated prediction anyone here has made. It's funny that he would laugh at anyone else's prediction

Who predicted that?

Here's the thread where Briggs thought 7-22 was a legitimate possibility that we needed to discuss. He was only off by 9 games since we were 16-13, rather than 7-22, after 29 games!

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=6066&page=1
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1/21/2005  10:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm here briggs.

now, where's person who thought we were 7-20?
It was 7-22, and it was probably the most uneducated prediction anyone here has made. It's funny that he would laugh at anyone else's prediction

You mean besides your prediction that the Phoenix Suns ownership was destroying the franchise by signing Steve Nash, right? It's funny that you would ridicule anybody else's predictions.

After the next 9 games, the Knicks might as well be 7-22.
My Suns comment was before they made several changes over the offseason and thus before we knew the Suns roster. You really can't blame someone for a prediction before huge roster changes are made. After the Knicks were 10-18 and before Layden was fired, I don't think anyone would have predicted that the Knicks would win 55% of the remaining games last year either. In contrast, we knew the exact Knicks roster when Briggs made that goofy 7-22 thread.

Huge roster changes? Signing Q Richardson is a "huge roster change"? I like him but he's the difference between ruining their team for years and having the best record in the league? Funny but most people who know anything about basketball think that Steve Nash was the huge addition that transformed the Suns. You know, the move that you completely bashed. And wasn't your prediction that the Suns had maxed out their payroll and couldn't add anybody of consequence? Guess you had that one wrong too.

Just say that you were flat out wrong and that you really shouldn't be ridiculing anybody else for their predictions since you've been very wrong yourself.
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1/21/2005  10:18 AM
I'm here!

Yes, 47 wins, second round of the playoffs, losing to the Heat in 4.

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Also, see my other possible trade...my optimism has returned!!!
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