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MS
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1/15/2005  8:55 PM
What is the real goal here to win a championship, and is there any chance to do so, the answer is no. Isiah should cut his losses now because the team at full strength is a shade under a good, and really have no future......

Marbury is exciting, a name, a home grown talent, but he is a loser, he doesn't know how to lead how to win, how to defend....he gets u points and assists but like he says he gets his rest on defense...

Let Crawford play up his trade value and move him next season...he has no idea how to defend or be a team player.....

Naz and Kurt have played well and put forth and effort so there is value out there for them.....

Pietrus, Wilcox, Griffin, Sammy, they need to get players that have defense as a part of their athleticism....

The Bulls are light years ahead of the Knicks, and are going up...Isiah if he keeps up this pattern is sending this team towards a fall they will never recover...

He would have given Dampier 70 if he could....and he would have moved kurt for malik and he did inquire about kurt for stack or wally

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1/15/2005  9:02 PM
sorry MS but seriously dude, this is bad. very fickle and very knee jerk.

marbury's a loser, right?
always has, always been, right?

guess what, so is pietrus, wilcox, griffin, and sammy. ALL LOSERS. WHAT'S YOUR F'IN POINT?!!??!!? i don't care if they're young or only in the league for 2-3 years. same with marbury. 6 years ago, you would've been asking for him.

you have a plan and try to build it. isiah has his. you don't like his plan, fine, but to basically say it's over right now, when his plan is 25% of the way done, is premature.

bulls are light years ahead, right? well it took them 6 trips to the lottery to get to this point dude.

and he said $70mil was too much for dampier so he backed off.
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1/15/2005  9:11 PM
Every single player you named is in the leage for like 3 years.

Marbury has been in the NBA forever, he has been traded 3 times. Every time his team became awesoe after the trade.

But its ok, messiah thomas will get us a bigman this summer with smoke and mirrors.

All hail lord Thomas!
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1/15/2005  9:14 PM
MS i don't mean any harm but when you said the bulls are light years ahead of the knicks i had to make a mental note to ignore all o your posts from here on out

i don't want you polluting my brain with total nonsense
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1/15/2005  9:22 PM
Well genius they have two studs in deng and gordon, which is more than you can say for the knicks, hinrich is also a great young point guard who is good defensively and has a real solid offensive game...They have cap room, and if they so choose they can move curry and chandler and get value in return, big pimpin point proven, you don't know what your talking about

My ****ing point is, that wilcox is not used effectively, when he was the clippers were playing great and he was putting up 14 and 8 and is 21, and likes to be active on both ends

Pietrus is maturing and is one of the best on ball defenders in the league, and is stuck behind J-Rich, and its not his fault Chris Mullin has no idea what he is doing.....

Sammy again is not being used properly, Obs, was using Mark Jackson ahead of him....

The Knicks need to be blown up and if you ****ing asses don't think so you don't know basketball and just watch the highlights...you can not have crawford and marbury on the same team and win....you choose one or the other.....

Ariza is the real stud in the making in this team....And Isiah backed off from dampier because he couldn't get him...he did the same thing with Crawford their was no market for him and he could have gotten a better deal
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1/15/2005  9:23 PM
How are the bulls not ahead of us?

Stop being such a homer and open your eyes.

They don't have any bad deals outside of Davis, they have an awesome plethora of young players, and a good coach.

They will make the playoffs, while we prolly wount.

All we have is Marbury, who is a looser. They have Gordon, Hinrich, Chandler, Curry, Deng, all players you'd like to have on you team, either one of them ready to become a franshie player.

And they'll have cap space to get an impact FA. If you don't think bulls are ahead of us you don't know anythign about basketball.
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1/15/2005  9:31 PM
Posted by MS:

Well genius they have two studs in deng and gordon, which is more than you can say for the knicks, hinrich is also a great young point guard who is good defensively and has a real solid offensive game...They have cap room, and if they so choose they can move curry and chandler and get value in return, big pimpin point proven, you don't know what your talking about

My ****ing point is, that wilcox is not used effectively, when he was the clippers were playing great and he was putting up 14 and 8 and is 21, and likes to be active on both ends

Pietrus is maturing and is one of the best on ball defenders in the league, and is stuck behind J-Rich, and its not his fault Chris Mullin has no idea what he is doing.....

Sammy again is not being used properly, Obs, was using Mark Jackson ahead of him....

The Knicks need to be blown up and if you ****ing asses don't think so you don't know basketball and just watch the highlights...you can not have crawford and marbury on the same team and win....you choose one or the other.....

Ariza is the real stud in the making in this team....And Isiah backed off from dampier because he couldn't get him...he did the same thing with Crawford their was no market for him and he could have gotten a better deal


hold on now

you need to look in the dictionary and see what the definition of stud is

amare is a stud. gordon and deng are not studs

and if those two are studs how are you going to play marbury and crawford like they aint

yes hinrich is a solid point guard but stephon aint

yeah they have cap room is that what makes them light years ahead of us or that they have a ton of first round draft picks

the spurs are light years ahead of us
the bulls are under .500 just like we are

aight go get us wilcox then genius
and i'm not going to even talk about pietrus

if we got pietrus, who position is he going to take crawford's. yeah okay i bet lasy year you were on crawford's nuts

dalembert sucks. i look at the here and now and he is a role player

i don't know if they need to be blown up or not. i will love the knicks regardless if they ever win a ring. why don't you stop watching them and watch the bulls win all those rings they are going to win

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1/15/2005  9:34 PM
simrud how are the bulls light years ahead of us when they are 16-19

i am a knick fan i don't give a f about the chicago bulls

go root for them i root for the knicks

you don't have not one bull on your fantasy team
get the f out of my face you f bandwagon

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1/15/2005  9:43 PM
Posted by MS:

The Knicks need to be blown up and if you ****ing asses don't think so you don't know basketball

they had their one shot to blow it up, and that was in the summer 01. they didn't. we had another shot but we traded our first lottery pick for dice. now we were stuck until 06. why doesn't anybody acknowledge that? how do you blow up a team that has untradeable players and contracts? at least juwan howard and lafrentz could play when they were traded. we didn't have any players anybody wanted and waiting for them to expire, we would've waited til 06/07. look it up.

then, on top of all that, we weren't bad enough to get a top 5 pick. so the term of "blowing it up" doesn't apply to us. and if you mean rebuilding through the draft, fine, but to acquire 3 or 4 players with your #1's would take 3 or 4 years. which means 05/06 at the earliest before you have 3 players to start.

why doesn't anybody acknowledge this?
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1/15/2005  9:46 PM
djsun they are bandwagon fans that's what bandwagon fans do

they want it here and now

there is nothing you can do to stop it. it's deep
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1/15/2005  10:00 PM
Bigpimpin not one word that comes out of your mouth makes any sense...No one is a bandwagon fan, and no one wants this team to do better than me.....but you have to face facts....every team marbury leaves gets better....if you are the best pg in the league you should have been able to get out of the playoffs, you should have been able to win one game vs. the nets last year.....it was marbury with a six point lead in the garden who took to terrible threes that cost the knicks the game....

The Bulls entire team is finally learning how to play they have the second best record in the league right now in jan, their entire team is young and poised to make a difference....

Deng is not a stud he is putting 12.9 and 5.5 as a rookie, amare put up 13.5 and 8.7 and is two inches taller pretty similiar....Craw is a stud...all 39% of him....

Big pimpin i suspect you know very little about the game and what it takes to build a contender...
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1/15/2005  10:24 PM
How do you newbies have the balls to call anybody a bandwagon fan? Your @sses werent here untill like 2 month ago, now you come out and blow your horn like thast how its been.

Get real bro, you just don't know sh**t about ball, anybody with any knowlegde of the game knows the Bulls are in better position then the Knicks.

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1/15/2005  10:55 PM
newbies huh.

when the bulls win some rings then call me

until take your bandwagon arse and get the f out of my face

you know so much about basketball but you are on the internet with me. go figure

i guess you didn't get the coaching job huh or you are not in the nba cause of your career ending knee injury

most teams that draft in the first round every f year will have better talent than a capped out team

duh

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1/15/2005  10:56 PM
Posted by MS:

Bigpimpin not one word that comes out of your mouth makes any sense...No one is a bandwagon fan, and no one wants this team to do better than me.....but you have to face facts....every team marbury leaves gets better....if you are the best pg in the league you should have been able to get out of the playoffs, you should have been able to win one game vs. the nets last year.....it was marbury with a six point lead in the garden who took to terrible threes that cost the knicks the game....

The Bulls entire team is finally learning how to play they have the second best record in the league right now in jan, their entire team is young and poised to make a difference....

Deng is not a stud he is putting 12.9 and 5.5 as a rookie, amare put up 13.5 and 8.7 and is two inches taller pretty similiar....Craw is a stud...all 39% of him....

Big pimpin i suspect you know very little about the game and what it takes to build a contender...

okay dude when you build the knicks into a contender call me

12.9 and 5.5 are not stud numbers you imbecile
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1/15/2005  10:59 PM
So you just admitted that Bulls are ahead of us didnt you?

As for bandwagon, bro the only bandwagon fan here is you, where were you before we got Marbury? Prolly rootin for the Nets.

How fu**ing dumb do you have to be to talk tough online anyways, back up your opinion with logic, not some retarded hatar this hatar that, bandwagon bs biatch.
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1/15/2005  11:00 PM
if you don't like the team then stop watching it's as simple as that

if you think the bulls are light years ahead of us then who cares. this is a knicks forum

if you think cause i am new to this forum that i don't know what i am talking about then underestimate me

if you are not a bandwagon fan then you are not a bandwagon fan okay okay i don't root for the bulls i root for the knicks

what do you look like being in a knicks forum rooting for the bulls talking about building a championship team

man what a loser
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1/15/2005  11:01 PM
and lock? Is this conversation going anywhere?
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1/15/2005  11:01 PM
If you dont think the Bulls are doing much better than the knicks then you are lieing to yourself. Check their lineup.

If you dont think Deng and Gordon are basketball studs then you havent followed them enough. If you think simrud and MS are bandwagon fans then you dont know them at all.
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1/15/2005  11:02 PM
when the bulls win a ring call me idiot



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1/15/2005  11:02 PM
I do agree with djsunyc though. Isiah's rebuilding plan is only 25% complete so trading Marbury and/or Craw would be a mistake.
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