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BigSm00th
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1/15/2005  6:18 PM
Nazr and Kurt are mediocre players, both are movable. Trade them, improve the team. You can steal draft picks, young players, I'm pretty sure there is a market for a 7 footer with only a year left averaging 12 and 8 and there's a market for a vet PF who can hit jumpers. HOWEVER, the Knicks need to be able to score in the post.

They need to balance out their scoring, JYD and Ariza score a lot on fast break opportunities and in scenarios where plays aren't designed for them, Marbury, Crawford, and Houston can all score on the perimeter, and Marbury and Crawford can efficiently with drives.

They have nothing in the form of a post game. They need to play Sweetney more to give them at least some of this scoring, this gets other team's big men in trouble and allows Marbury and Crawford to slash more efficiently. It opens everything up if you take away the other team's big men. (See: the Knicks in the Hornets game, when KT got in early trouble and they cut them up in the paint).

Are they good? Yes, but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with them. You can probably still make the playoffs if they trade them, combined with a smart sign-and-trade this offseason w/ Penny or TT, good draft picks, and solid FA signings and its steps in the right direction.

Nazr and KT are the two most tradeable players on the team, they should be moved.
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1/15/2005  6:30 PM
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1/15/2005  6:34 PM
I agree... I would trade anyone except Marbury, Crawford, Ariza, JYD. (JYD if the right deal came along but I love the fact that he can play both F positions).

Nazir would be a good 3rd man on a 3 big man rotation at PF and C, but we definitely need more trips to the free throw line which K.Thomas doesn't do and we need some sort of defense coming out of the 1,2,3 positions. Between Marbury, Crawford, Houston, T.Thomas you have zero defense. That's why I like having JYD and Ariza split time at the 3.

Ron Artest would be lovely at SF.

Yeah definitely need to trade 2 of the 3 Thomas.
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1/15/2005  6:36 PM
I agree.....

The Knicks looked horrible against Chicago.....especially in the fourth quarter.

The Knicks never seem to match the energy of the other team down the stretch.

The Knicks aren't very good at all. KT was in effective when teams start to clamp down on defense. Ariza was good but he's not ready to dominate yet.

You know it's bad when you gotta insert Moochie in the game. Moochie is not a bad player.

Houston is not only off but teams understand that he is only a threat to shoot. They are getting up on him and locking him down. It has nothing to do with his lift. There are more ways than one to get a shot off. Houston doesn't create space.

Knicks need a shake up.....KT, Timmy, and even Nazr are the prime suspects.......

If Isiah doesn't trade them now......the Knicks might be looking at losing the division to Boston or Philly. If the Knicks lose the division they probably won't make the playoffs.

Not being able to trade the pick might be a blessing......Knicks have to get better. Now......before the trading deadline.

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1/15/2005  6:49 PM
We have been saying this all year but KT is solid and Nazr could be "our" Ben Wallace and young players with star potential like Dalembert, Kwame, Curry or Swift are all losers
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1/15/2005  6:56 PM
You are all missing the point, especially my man Fish. Kurt Thomas and Lenny Wilkens must go folks, get it in your freaking heads. It is not Houston's fault, not anyone else's fault, but Kurt and Lenny....He doesn't have a postup game, and teams normally take the J away especially in the Fourth.
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1/15/2005  6:58 PM
How could Nazr be 'our' Ben Wallace, he's having his best year ever and he's nowhere near the defender or rebounder of Wallace.

Fact of the matter is Nazr is the Knicks MOST TRADEABLE asset. He makes $5.5 million, he's expiring after next year, he's a 7 footer, and he averages 12 and 8. Keeping him around is useless, becuase if you are still under the illusion that this Knicks squad is going to win a championship, you're insane.

Kwame might be a loser, but he's capable of doing what Nazr is doing at about 5 years younger. Look at what Aguirre did with Nazr and Sweetney, get a young guy here like Swift or Kwame, both of whom aren't getting much time now, and you could have a beast, as they have a lot more potential than Sweetney and Nazr do.

It's basic trading philosophy, buy low, sell high. Nazr was acquired for basically Doleac, coming off of an injury. His value is now extremely high, sell him now and get a player who's value is low, like a Kwame or Swift. Swift has seen slightly reduced time since Fraetllo has gotten there, I'd trade him straight up for Nazr. In 20 mpg he averages 9 pts, 5 boards, and 2 blocks.

Kwame's value is extremely low, but I'll take a chance on him, possibly get a future pick or 2nd rounder thrown in, and risk that for Nazr Mohammed. Dalembert, same thing.

I'd rather take a chance on a young guy like Swift, give him 40 minutes per game and maybe see a low post guy average 18, 10, and 4 (those are his 40-min. averages) or maybe he'll fail and be a 12, 8, 2 dud (wait, those are Nazr's averages right now). I'd rather take that chance than just dwindle in mediocrity for the next few seasons.
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1/15/2005  6:59 PM
Posted by diderotn:

You are all missing the point, especially my man Fish. Kurt Thomas and Lenny Wilkens must go folks, get it in your freaking heads. It is not Houston's fault, not anyone else's fault, but Kurt and Lenny....He doesn't have a postup game, and teams normally take the J away especially in the Fourth.
Kurt does need to go so Sweets can start and get more playing time.

Also Sweets needs to foul less. When I saw him play as a rookie in the Summer L, I knew two things - 1) he was going to foul a lot and not stay on the floor and 2) he was going to have the most blocked shot in the NBA (his game reminds me of Weatherspoon's)
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1/15/2005  7:40 PM
i love this forum already

sweetney didn't dominate chi kt didn't dominate neither did nazr

guess why

they are all role players

sweetney fouled out in 19 minutes. wake up
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1/15/2005  7:40 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by diderotn:

You are all missing the point, especially my man Fish. Kurt Thomas and Lenny Wilkens must go folks, get it in your freaking heads. It is not Houston's fault, not anyone else's fault, but Kurt and Lenny....He doesn't have a postup game, and teams normally take the J away especially in the Fourth.
Kurt does need to go so Sweets can start and get more playing time.

Also Sweets needs to foul less. When I saw him play as a rookie in the Summer L, I knew two things - 1) he was going to foul a lot and not stay on the floor and 2) he was going to have the most blocked shot in the NBA (his game reminds me of Weatherspoon's)


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